The J Curve: What Global Politics and Evangelism Have in Common
Posted by Rastis in Church & Missions, News & Culture
For the past several years I have had sat through dozens of Islamic evangelism training sessions. Inevitably, there is always someone who will recount a story similar to this during the Q&A:
I was in a taxi, and the driver was a Muslim. We started talking about religion. I decided that since he was telling me about his religion I would share the truth with him about mine. [insert your "typical" approach here and perhaps the standard anti-Islam apologetic here] Then he just went crazy…
The encounter usually results with a shouting Arab and a bewildered evangelist who cannot understand why simply sharing the truth brought such a response. These training events always have at least one person who stands up with some kind of “I shared a simple truth and then they started shouting” story. The crowd typically empathizes and nods knowingly. As open-minded, open-culture, individualistic westerners, we can only perceive that the truth will have positive results.
I believe if we cross-pollinate this problem/experience with an unlikely friend in the political world that we will gain insight into this cross-cultural phenomenon.
Ian Bremmer’s “The J Curve: A New Way to Understand why Nations Rise and Fall” provides an insightful analysis and matrix for assessing how, why, and to what extent nations change to become either more open or more despotic. For those of us who are but a shade of hair color off from experiencing contemporary world events, Bremmer’s book describes the dicey details behind the major actions in the 20th century regarding a host of hot button countries: North Korea, Cuba, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia, South Africa, Yugoslavia, Turkey, Israel, India, and China. Bremmer argues that there is a direct relationship between a nation’s stability and their openness. States such as Cuba, Belarus, and N. Korea are stable primarily because they are closed to the outside world. Think about what a shock it would be for N Koreans to have unfiltered Cable and Internet access for 24 hours. At the same time, most western countries are stable because they are open. Imagine what would happen at the end the Gore vs Bush presidential race if the government cut off internet access, cable, and the telephone systems for 24 hours following the announcement that Bush had won his narrow victory. Bremmer explains that the relationship between openness and stability can be graphed with a J curve.
His book, and the J curve itself, explains the process wherein a left side of the curve nation–stable but totalitarian–transitions to become a right side nation–stable but open–and the potential destabilization that occurs as they cross through the bottom of the curve. It is safer to be at the far left side, than at the bottom; it is easier to close a country than to open it. A charismatic leader, a meta-narrative which validates the leader’s authority and agenda, and sufficient means of isolating a whole nation are the hallmarks which allow a far left country to remain on the left. Globalization and the age of technology are presenting problems for far left nations as it is becoming harder and harder to drown out the noise of the outside world.
While Bremmer’s book is merely about politics and not evangelism, there is much we can learn from it. Religions, like nations, can be placed on a similar curve with similar dynamics. Think about cult leaders for a moment. They are able to control the minds of their people through authoritarianism. They rewrite the meta-narrative that gives their worldview meaning and use isolation to make sure that their followers never learn the truth. It is much easier to be a cult leader on the far left side of the curve, where there is total isolation, than it is at the bottom of the curve where the influx of counter narratives threaten the cult’s stability. When talking with a cultist, it is easier for them to reject what they might know to be true, in order to remain in their group since the perceived shocks of changing individually from one side to the other are too great to bear. If these parallels are true for a cult, which is simply a religious sub culture, they are even more true for a religion which is supported, accepted, and enforced by the broader culture itself! While some religions are more open than other, most religious are fairly closed as they are defined and controlled via dogmas. Thus, we would probably place most religions on the left side of the religious J-curve even though their adherents may not be as animated and vocal as others might be. In trying to understand those “shocks” which disrupt and change the receptivity of an individual we need to look at social and cultural dynamics which present gaps and barriers which must be overcome in order to successfully communicate the gospel. If we are to keep the graph above, then we could illustrate the J-curve by a dotted line, a J-curve with gaps. Each of the breaks in the line represents a dynamic which must be understood and adequately addressed. The comments stream will be a great place for you to suggest other gaps which you have experienced. My list is as follows:
History: religions do not happen in a void. There are old historic disputes and even wars that have been fought between religious groups. Where a religion is associated with a nation (and most religious view other religions–Christianity included–this way) and there is bad history between the two groups, then there is a gap as a result which the effective evangelist must cross one way or another. Simply asking someone to cross it without any explanation, incentive, etc, will invite a harsh response. The Arab nations have been particularly resistant to the gospel. One of the reasons is due the the fact that most missionaries come from the west and there is a particularly tumultuous history between the Arab nations and the western nations. This doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t send missionaries but this history is a liability.
Desire to live in harmony with the group: Many people do not make changes simply because they want to be like those around them and the majority of people around them are not Christian. To change religions puts them at odds with the group. While we value our personal freedom and independence, most people actually do care what others think about them. Unless we provide a realistic solution to overcome this barrier, they will not hear us with any gravity.
Us-Them: Every culture and sub culture has the us-them dichotomy. If you send “them” to evangelize “us” you present a barrier. There are places when this has been overcome and it is a beautiful testament to the uniting power of the gospel. However, we often are blissfully ignorant of these dichotomies when we nonchalantly open our mouths. Remember, Jesus didn’t come as a Roman to the Jews.
Persecution: Cultures which value homogeneity often persecute those who threaten the status quo. While this seems obvious for those living in places like Saudi Arabia, it holds true even in the states. There are many examples of Jews, Muslims, and Hindus who have come under threats, coercion, and even bodily harm in the states for either converting or even just showing too much interest.
Family structure: most religions are practiced in the context of family. Rejecting the religion is synonymous with rejecting the family. It is the parental obligations to be the first line of defense against conversion. Again, this is not just something that happens overseas. It is something that happens in the free world as well. There are numerous documented reports of honor killings, albeit rare, and more commonly complete disowning. For those who are in the states and convert and are disowned by a family in their home country, then that means that they might also loose their home country as well.
Decision Making: Most cultures do not value individual choice. We are often calling people to do something that is completely different from everything they have ever thought of, not only in content, but in actually making a choice without the affirmation of the family. Most places you are simply born into a religion. You are what your father is, no questions asked. One of the hallmarks of evangelicalism is that the individual must choose; one cannot be born a believer even if born into a believing family.
Loaded Language: Words have meaning in context according to their usage. ”Gay” no longer means “happy.” Other religions wrongly understand and define many of our theological terms and ideas. Jews, Mormons, and Muslims have all misunderstood the doctrine of the Trinity. Guess whose definitions their practitioners are using when we just use a buzzword? Muslims believe that our understanding of the Trinity includes God physically having relations with Mary. We call him the only begotten son, and if one looks in any genealogy, there ubiquitous support that begotten means the by product of someone’s physical relationship. We have taken it a step further and codified this language in addressing the Arians when we say that Jesus is “begotten not made.” I am not suggesting that the creed is wrong, or that we should not teach on the true nature of the God-head. But when we use terms, the one listening to us already has a faulty definition so that he hears us affirming heresy both in his religion and ours.
So what then should we do about crossing these barriers? The goal is not to avoid destabilization and persecution, per se, but to navigate it in such a way that the outcome is positive, desirable, and contagious. We cannot simply avoid teaching on the Godhead because people out there misunderstand it. If anything, their misunderstanding is a mandate to teach the true doctrine. But the point of this post is far more practical. We often think about what we share with people as being a “simple” presentation. They told us what they thought and we were simply acting in turn. It is easy to forget how absolutely counter-cultural and dangerous the gospel truly is. Again, It is not simply religious dogma, leaders, and ability to control the masses that determine an individual’s level of receptivity. There are many social, historical, and cultural issues which inform and amplify religious dogma. Unless we have a system for addressing these seemingly “peripheral” affective issues, we will not be able to effectively communicate the gospel. I believe that the reasons that many people actually reject the gospel is because of all of the side issues rather than because of the gospel itself.
Evangelism with someone on the left side of the curve is a process. There are many gaps along the way that they will have to cross. The farther they go the more potential for disaster there is. I used to share an entire presentation of the gospel as part of my personal testimony. After all, I might only see them once and so I needed to seize the moment and tell them everything. The problem is that I placed all of the gaps all together so that no one would even consider crossing. Furthermore, this view represented an inflated view of my role and a deflated view of the Spirits’. I now give a much more generic presentation designed to push someone only a little way and see if they are interested. If they are not even ready to handle truth #1, why would I give them all of them? The evangelism process with someone on the left side of the curve requires a relationship. One does not attempt to jump gaps simply on a dare from a stranger. Remember, it is better to be far up on the left side than at the bottom of the curve! When one does not understand the presentation or the presentation takes place too quickly with too many gaps pressed together, they are more likely to retreat to being closed again than pressing forward.
If there is anything we can learn from applying the J-Curve it is that people will not consider crossing the curve religiously unless we first take their gaps seriously and then provide adequate help from one side to the other.




I have been out of the loop for a number of weeks. My family and I are now hailing from the Middle-East. As such the time difference for us may present a bit of a lag in responding to comments, but I will do so as I am able.
Rastis,
Great to see signs of life from you again. I hope and pray things are going well for you and your family, and your adaptation to your new situation.
You give us a lot to think about here. I think this ties in well with the sub-conversation on the comment stream of Strider’s last post, regarding responsiveness and unreachedness as factors in determining allocation of missionary resources.
Another gap I would add would be the degree to which an individual, family, or people group’s needs–material, social, and/or affective–are already being met in their present situation. It is for this reason that people are often more vulnerable to the gospel, and consequently more open during, and immediately after, times of crisis, such as the loss of a loved one, an illness, a tragedy, etc. As ministers of the love of God, we must be careful to not use these situations in a way that might be viewed as taking advantage of the needy in their time of need, but rather as offering compassion and relief. Indeed, the Father must give us supernatural insight and balance in these moments.
Rastis,
This is a bit weird coming from me, since I’m not a Calvinist. But then, maybe not, because neither am I an Arminian. I’m just wondering about this concluding phrase:
“people will not consider crossing the curve religiously unless we first take their gaps seriously and then provide adequate help from one side to the other.”
Does that sentiment not undervalue the idea of conversion as at least substantially (if not preponderantly, or even entirely) a miraculous work of God? Does anyone stroll into the kingdom at leisure because their needs are met, or are we not all adopted into the family somewhat to our own bewilderment?
I can’t engage in a lengthy back-and-forth (and shouldn’t anyway), so I’ll leave the discussion to my single (hopefully respectful) question and any rejoinder that you wish to provide. Thanks for the post. The political aspects of the “J-Curve” are intriguing and well worth the time spent to read the post.
David,
You hit a big one there! Coming with rice in one hand and the gospel in the other can make people “honor-bound” to accept everything we say. It is a step up, however, from from a gun in one hand and the gospel in the other…
It is a huge issue though. Just tonight I had a kid ask me for a dollar. That dollar is nothing to me and would last him several days. At the same time, I simply do not have enough dollars for all of the people who legitimately need them. And that doesn’t even touch the question of vulnerability. Or dependency…. or simply doing the American think of throwing money at a problem so it will go away. I am sure I have no good answers and am only beginning to learn the right questions. As most people in my town live on about 100usd a month, it is something on my mind all the time.
Rastis:
The x axis is “openness”. I think the idea of the J curve is that for any given “group” the situation goes from left to right with the passage of time. According to the graph, any interface between two cultures always leads to increased “openness” as time passes.
My questions are these:
1. Is the time that passes — as one traverses the x axis — days, months, years, or centuries?
2. Is is posible that for a given “culture” (for want of a better word) that sometimes one would go back and forth along the graph rather than traversing it in one continuous direction? Using the example of the relationship between Islam and Christianity from the time of the crusades until now; I don’t know if the situation maps to a walk along the J curve in the same direction all the time or not.
Wouldn’t anecidotal evidence suggest that sometimes the curve does
not move from the left to the right but starts moving from right to left?
This might be extreme but think about the case that instead of the curve being in the shape of a “J” that it is instead more like an “S” (or at least the bottom half of the letter “S”). Navigation along the S would start and the “southwest” corner and progress along the letter with time.
Bart,
Interesting question. I too would describe myself as neither a calvinist nor an arminian. I almost put a parenthetical thought into the original post noting that it was from a purely human perspective, but I am trying to get away from parenthetical thoughts.
I think there are a number of examples from different contexts wherein a missionary tried one particular tactic for a while but to no avail. Then he changed tactics and a mass movement started. We can play with the question of whether that devalues God’s part and elevates the human dynamic, or we can view both parts as one. Why does human means and methods have to be viewed in contradiction to the working of God’s saving power? A common example of this might be Don Richardson (Peace Child) who presented the biblical story chronologically only to have them venerate Judas in the end. After he corrected some things, they responded. I would argue that God used what he did. He could have used Don the first time through. Why the difference? I have no clue…
It is only in the incarnation that we understand the human and divine union. Jesus could have been born to a pig eating Hellenistic Greek family. He could have been born into the occupying culture and carried a Blue Roman passport with him. The fact that he was sovereignly born in a humanly strategic way into an average Jewish family is instructive missiologically. I have heard many people try to juxtapose strategy/methods/contextualization etc against God’s work [not saying you are doing that here]. I just think that is a bit reductionist and makes light of the incarnation.
In spite of the fact that I argue that we should be strategic and knowledgeable, I am grateful that God uses me when I don’t have a clue what I am doing.
Roger
Thanks for the comment.
1. Yes. I am sure it varies based on individual, the religious group, how committed they are, what are the factors pushing them to change from within in spite of gaps and shocks and de-stabilization. Iranians, for instance, are more open and receptive–at least stateside–than are other Muslim groups. Humanly speaking, this is due in part to the fact that the Islamic revival hit their country faster and harder than many other countries. Many are simply fed up with what they have and are ready for something else. Countries which where not as fast or severe and not quite is motivated.
2. Absolutely. I think that happens on the personal level as well. It is like a bridge that they cross. The walk a little way and then turn back a ways. Then they go farther and farther.
Religions like countries can move from being more open to closed. If anything, the Islamic revival of the last thirty or so years is in response to current political events. If 10% of Muslims were to become believers tomorrow, those who are the hardliners would probably become more overt and aggressive in response.
I suppose there are a number of ways to graph how cultures and individuals move in response to hearing the gospel and the shocks that result. There are even stories of those who avoided the dip all together, had parents who understood, or didn’t care, kept their job, their wife, kids, etc. –Praise God for such stories– however, I don’t think this is the norm. I have know catholic families who have ostracized family members for becoming evangelicals. That is a very near cousin, so the farther away, and the more social dynamics restrict individual freedom and movement to convert, the less helpful the amazing “everything went well” stories are for those walking the path of everything falling apart.
I think at least part of the answer to Bart’s question is seen in taking it to its logical extreme. If salvation depends entirely on the sovereignty of God, why bother learning foreign languages? As I understand it, good contextualization is, in essence, the same thing as communicating the gospel in another language. Only, instead of a verbal, grammatical language, it is a cultural language, or heart language. The ultimate aim is not to obscure the message of the gospel, but rather to make it clearer and more understandable from the perspective of the hearer.
Many cultural prejudices get in the way of a clear hearing and understanding of the gospel. Good contextualization seeks to remove the rocks from the path. Bad contextualization involves not only removing the rocks from the path, but changing the message of the gospel itself, which is a stumbling block in and of itself to many.
Good discussion topic Rastis. For those of us who have ministered for most of our lives in a cross-cultural situation these issues are constantly discussed but finding answers is never easy.
You evidently live in a Muslim society. I have lived in a society dominated by Buddhism and animism. The issues are the similar but different. In my host country if you discuss Christianity with a taxi driver he or she will not shout at you but will find your talk interesting and respond much the same as those Paul met on Mars Hill.
Your illustration of the gaps is very good. I have often watched others rush through the gaps and I have done the same. I will compare the background of your gaps with what we experience in my part of the world.
History. Among the Arab nations memories of the crusades will always be a problem. Among the Chinese there are still those who remember the opium wars and the fact that missionaries followed the gun boats into the interior. I’ve always wondered if the reason Christianity has grown faster in Korea is that historically they were persecuted by the Japanese and Chinese and therefore they were not so offended when Western missionaries arrived.
Among Chinese the group is usually the family. To leave the family religious practice is considered a dishonor to the family and particularly the parents. Not taking part in ancestor worship is to give up your Chinese heritage. To overcome this mindset has been the major hindrance to the spread of the Gospel among the Chinese.
Loaded Language. In Chinese the word for sin gives a very different meaning than what we the Bible teaches. Telling someone they are a sinner without explaining the Christian concept of sin can be a problem. Saying we can receive eternal life does not always sound good to a Buddhist seeking release from earthly desires. Almost all the religious terms in the gospel presentation need interpretation.
It is correct that “unless we have a system for addressing these seemingly “peripheral” affective issues, we will not be able to effectively communicate the gospel.” That is why it is important to have people in each cultural or ethnic group working on these systems. It takes time. It is usually not as simple as it seems in the case studies we read in our missiology classes. We need to listen to our national partners in trying to understand what will be effective.
In looking at the J curve, as you said, we would naturally put cult groups and Islamic groups on the left because of their controlling and dogmatic attitudes. On the other hand, would you consider America and Baptists in particular on the right side because of our openness which I would define as belief in religious freedom and religious liberty. Does this make us more stable? I think it does.
Ron,
Thanks for the input. It is always interesting to me to hear about how similar problems play out in different contexts.
Regarding Christianity being on the right side: I debate back and forth with myself on that one. American culture definitely is. However, I think to a certain extent every religion is closed by the very fact that most religions have a dogma, tradition, and authority structure (even if the dogma is that they are non-dogmatic = wicca). So regarding religion i think we have to overlay the “openness” axis and combine it with “change” or “conversion” or something as our goal is not merely to make Muslims, Hindus, or Buddhists more open. I think since Baptists have an authority (the Bible) and dogma (the creeds, BF&M etc) that makes us closed regarding change, even though we are open socially.
I think the process for change for Baptists is the same. We have our own gap which someone must bridge for us. There was a Buddhist temple in my hometown that did a great job of contextualizing to Americans. They started giving classes to explain their terms in English and provide services in English. They found a certain subset of disgruntled believers who were ready to make a change…. Other groups who have come to the same town and tried to set up shop by keeping their home culture identity intact have not been successful in assimilating Americans. So I think the curve works for everyone and to a degree anyone with a set of beliefs is closed to a degree. For an American, our curve would be more flat I think. That is, the shocks and instability resulting from change will not be as drastic for some American kid, whose parents might be mildly upset at worst and whose boss wont give a rip as long as he still shows up to work on time, than it is for someone who will risk everything.
Looks like I am late to this party. Lots of good comments already. Here is an article that may be illuminating, but it isn’t from a Baptist perspective at all. It is a designer’s look at providing humanitarian aid: http://www.fastcodesign.com/1661859/is-humanitarian-design-the-new-imperialism?partner=homepage_newsletter I think this ties in with a number of the missional discussions we’ve been having on trying avoid spiritual imperialism (at least from a cultural standpoint rather than the content of the gospel) and staying in control.
Is there such a thing as an “Asian Solution” or an “Indian Solution” or “Bangladeshi Solution” to getting the gospel into those countries we most desire to go?
Rastis,
This is a subject about which each of us probably has myriad unanswerable questions.
While I understand the concept as regards evangelism, I wonder about Paul’s ministry to the various cultural sub-groups throughout the book of Acts, and even his letters to those same people groups.
The recent discussion about receptivity could play an important role here. I’m convinced that God orchestrates events to prepare peoples to hear the Good News. Our greatest challenge, it seems to me is to discern those movements of God from the movements of man. I’m also convinced that God is not nearly concerned with what we go through as He is with what we come out to be.
IF, and I’m purposely doing that IF in caps, what I believe is correct, then world events might be more important to world evangelism than our strategic planning for such.
Believe me, I’m groping as so many of you and don’t believe for an instant that I have the answers, but I just believe that the role of The Holy Spirit in all this in overcoming barriers is essential. Paul would have gone one direction, but the Holy Spirit led him in another.
I’ve been in more than thirty countries and some have been extremely receptive, while others blase’, and still others resistant. This 3.5 point Calvinist really believes that God still overcomes the barriers to receptivity when we go in His power, in His time, and in His way.
I know the question of William Carey’s years of seeming fruitlessness seems a contradiction, but victory is not always numbers. Victory is obedience to the call of God to go, and faithfulness to stay where one is called until he is called somewhere else.
I believe that just as in “Home Missions” we need people to invest their lives in the place God plants them. Then, I believe, the barriers will begin to come down.
I really fear that methodology again becomes a god. When one considers differing spiritual gifts, and differing inherited personality traits, as well as differing temperaments it is conceivable that the methodology which might work in one area for an individual will not work in the same area for a different individual.
Thanks, rastis. Well answered. I’m comfortable with the concept of “means” and my personal acceptance of contextualization is quite broad (so long as it does not corrupt the gospel, acknowledge validity in false religions, etc.). I guess I was reacting not so much as to whether it would be appropriate for us to put any effort into acknowledging “the J-curve” or into helping people to cross the curve as it was into the making of statements as to what people will not or could not do apart from our help. Not the topic at large but rather simply that one sentence was my focus for my comments.
And you’ve answered my comments admirably. May God bless you.
David,
You said, “If salvation depends entirely on the sovereignty of God, why bother learning foreign languages?”
Synergism?
David,
Ignore my comment #15, I get what you’re saying.
perhaps the answer to the rejection lies in the MANNER in which Muslims, as ethnic people, are approached by SOME evangelists:
“[insert your “typical” approach here and perhaps the standard anti-Islam apologetic here”
the ‘standard anti-Islam apologetic’ may often be the result of an evangelist who knows so little of the history and culture and content of the Islamic faith, that he will represent Christians as contemptuous, superior people who look down on others.
Ethnic people are family people, they are proud, dignified people.
When someone comes at them disrespectfully, and contemptuously, they ‘shut down’.
Are there ANY evangelists out there who have respect for other faith traditions? I didn’t say ‘agree with’. I said ‘respect’.
That would mean an understanding that those of other faith traditions are also people who have sought God in their way, in sincerity, and with integrity.
Not to understand that, with humility, is to fail in bringing the example of Our Lord to others.
Hubris has its place, but not in evangelism.
It is the profound humility of the true Christian servant that speaks to ethnic people of Christ.
Look at Mother Theresa. India, though not a Christian country, gave her the honor of a state funeral. Because she loved the Indian people who were suffering and dying. Her bare, wprn-out and broken feet showed the depth of her commitment as she lay on her funeral pallet.
She served with humility and with love, not with superiority, condescension and contempt. And Christ was honored.
Andrew,
“Ignore my comment #15, I get what you’re saying.”
Great, because I wasn’t quite sure what you were.
Anyone have any thoughts about what Act 17 Apologetics is doing in Dearborn?
Here’s the first 2010 video: http://www.youtube.com/user/Acts17Apologetics#p/u/3/8FXDAaiT6os
Here’s the arrest: http://www.youtube.com/user/Acts17Apologetics#p/u
Here’s the Acts 17 taunt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qESLfxp70c&feature=digest
First, I affirm all presentations of the Gospel. It is the power of the gospel to save men and not our presentations thereof. God can use a donkey to convey his message, and sometimes he uses me.
Second, it appears that they are fighting more for freedom of speech rights and publicity than the gospel itself. I just can’t see the early apostles nagging about the system when they were told to be quiet. You do what you are called to do, and you take your lumps. No one wants to live with someone who has a martyr complex, its intolerable.
Third, there are legitimate legal limitations to unbridled freedom of speech {since that seems to be the real issue for these guys here}. I can’t hook a megaphone to my car or take over the air waves. Neither can an Atheist come into our church services with a megaphone and commandeer the audience with a sonorous monologue imploring those who might have wondered if their beliefs were false to contact him for proof.
I have been to the Pagan Pride festival back when I was in NC. People who were handing out literature or protesting–and there were many–were required to stay behind a certain line. Since I didn’t have a sign or a Jesus shirt, I walked right through the front gate and talked with people. I didn’t have a camera and crew, and the only thing I handed out was a few business cards to an evangelistic website. Everyone was watching me [i was the only one not in black head to toe], but I didn’t get kicked out or arrested. Festival-crashing can be done, but not like they do it. If you have the kind of notoriety that people recognize you from your youtube channel, then you should probably go somewhere else.
Fourth, I think this approach devalues the incarnation. While the gospel is the power to salvation, the videos demonstrate how ineffective this method is. Whether or not the Dearborn police are acting constitutionally or not isn’t the issue, the point is that this presentation of the gospel appears to them as an attack. The same can be said for the Caner videos. The videos against them–whether they were factual or not–demonstrate how they were received. If they are going to reject anything, we want the people to reject the gospel and not our approach. Jesus didn’t call his first disciples by saying “hey there: have you ever wondered if everything you believe is false?” He simply called them to follow him. He didn’t express his divinity on day one or require that they affirm him theologically before they followed. He just called them to follow and then continually revealed himself to them.
I think interfaith evangelism is not a fly by night operation. If we are not prepared to spend the time to establish a legitimate presence, then we will probably do more harm than good.
I haven’t watched the videos yet. But, Rastis, it sounds like you are talking about the difference between what I would call “foray evangelism” and “incarnational evangelism.” In general, whether with Muslims, people of other faiths, or even in our neighborhood door-to-door knocking, it seems to me that we as Southern Baptists (as well as a lot of other Evangelicals) have specialized in the “foray” approach.
It would be interesting to me to compare the long-term results of actual disciples made due to efforts using these different approaches.
I know I myself, at times, have been made to feel guilty for being reticent to participate in “foray” evangelism. And yet, I don’t want to throw stones at those people who feel called to do this, at least as long as they are truly called, and are not just trying to ease their legalistic conscience.
The challenge for me–as I imagine it is for many in full-time ministry–is finding ways to be faithfully incarnational with those who do not yet know Christ.
Brother Rick,
First, I agree with Brother Rastis. Second, you might want to take a look at this link</em from a Palestinian brother who comes from a Muslim family and is quite active in proclaiming the Good News to Muslims.
Peace to you brother,
From the Middle East
Rastis, David, and FTME,
It would appear to me from the videos that Acts 17 Apologetics is using the gospel as a pretext for inviting a constitutional confrontation on the limits of free speech, not sharing the gospel. Their videos do not emphasize the gospel, the cause of Christ, or the Word that is shared. Without fail, the issue is presented as a fight to secure our constitutional rights.
Is it wrong for a group to advocate on behalf of First amendment rights? No. I think activists should be involved in preserving our right to free speech, assembly, press, and worship. But I’m not really keen on an “apologetics” group doing it.
Stunts like this, like what Brannon Howse is doing in churches (See: http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-tube/video.php?videoid=4401), and especially the Answers in Genesis folks who say, in effect, “if you don’t believe a literal 6-day creation, you don’t believe the Bible, and probably aren’t saved,” all make me despair of apologetics in general. I’ve come to the point in my life where I think much time and effort is wasted on apologetics to very little evangelical effect. As David said, it is “foray evangelism” and it doesn’t represent a commitment to the discipleship of those most in need of God’s liberating message of grace. I can see the importance of defending the faith. However, I don’t see that as the primary witnessing tool or approach to long-term discipleship. To that end, I place very little emphasis on apologetics or on training apologists.
Instead, I think we need to see more of the folks Rastis describes who build relationships first and then bridge to the gospel.
To buttress my earlier point, that this is not about Christianity, the cause of Christ, or even the gospel, here is James White’s take on the arrest: http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=4070
Note in his conclusion he states, “Pray that this case will be handled correctly. Our Constitutional rights are at stake here. The arrest report is clearly fraudulent, as this evidence demonstrates. The parties responsible need to be held accountable to the law. Not Sharia, to the Constitution of the United States of America, where this took place.”
It isn’t about defending the gospel. It is about defending the First Amendment. Is this an admirable goal for an “apologetics ministry”?