Working Smart
Posted by David Rogers in Baptist Life, Church & Missions
The convention is behind us, as well as the vote on the GCR Task Force Report. Now, it’s time to move ahead with plans to work together on seeing the Great Commission fulfilled. As has already been stated on various occasions, the real responsibility for the task before us lies primarily in the hands of the individual congregations that cooperate together through the SBC. It also lies with each of us as individual believers, as we seek to be the best stewards possible of the gifts and resources the Father has placed in our hands for making disciples of all the nations.
Although a great majority of Southern Baptists (and you as SBC Impact readers) live and work in the United States, a major part of the GCR Task Force Report has to do with our joint efforts in international missions. And, a big part of this has to do with our being more generous, and allocating more resources toward the sending of more missionaries to more places around the world. Jerry Rankin makes some very good observations to this effect on a recent post here. Indeed, there is much, much more we as Southern Baptists could do to impact the world with the gospel if we were as generous and as conscientious as we ought to be with the resources God entrusts into our hands.
But I would like to submit that a good part of our faithful stewardship in our joint efforts to fulfill the Great Commission has to do not only with giving more money and sending more missionaries, but also with the way in which we work. Just like in many other endeavors in life, in general, it can be just as important—if not more so—to work smart as it is to work hard.
As we look at the task of world evangelization from a broad perspective, we see that the most effective and cost-efficient workers are more often than not indigenous evangelists, church planters, missionaries, and pastors. Some, such as K. P. Yohannan, have taken this to the point of suggesting a moratorium on the sending of foreign workers from the West in favor of a redistribution of resources for the support of local indigenous workers.
Personally, while I do not agree completely with Yohannan’s thesis, I believe there is much in what he, and others like him, say that should not be lightly cast aside. As Southern Baptists—even if not quite 16 million strong—we represent a relatively large amount of human, financial, creative, and spiritual resources. However, I don’t believe that God ever intended for us to take on single-handedly the responsibility for evangelizing the whole world and making disciples of all nations. His intention for us, rather, is to take our place as one part of the Body of Christ, and to work responsibly, side by side, together with the rest of the Body, toward the fulfillment of the Task.
Southern Baptists have struggled a bit down through the years with finding the correct balance in all of this. In 1994, when I and my wife were appointed as IMB missionaries to Spain (after previously serving four years with another organization), IMB work was subject, in many countries and contexts, to a series of written agreements with national Baptist unions, under which indigenous Baptist leadership set strategy and supervised the ministry of IMB missionaries on a local level. The problem with many of these agreements was that they contributed to a system of unhealthy dependence, and often confused the role of missionary, pastor, and denominational worker. As a result, many times, missionaries were given assignments as pastors of local churches, promoters of denominational programs, and/or the overseas equivalent of associational DOMs. In the work of the kingdom, there is nothing at all wrong or non-strategic about the ministry roles of pastor or denominational worker. It is just that, in general, these are not truly missionary roles, and, according to sound missiological principles, in the great majority of cases, should be reserved for locally based, indigenous believers.
Under the leadership of Jerry Rankin, the IMB recognized the inherent problems with these arrangements, and began to make needed adjustments by way of what has since come to be known as New Directions, or SD-21. Another important plank of New Directions was the idea that the fulfillment of the Great Commission around the world, as well as in any particular region, or among any particular people group, is a God-sized task, and that God, when He does things, does not usually do them in such a way that any single organization, such as the SBC, or the IMB, might be able to accomplish them all on their own, merely through prudent allocation of resources and careful strategic planning. No, a God-sized task requires the joint participation of all of the various members of the Body of Christ, and the use of spiritual resources, such as prayer, spiritual warfare, and Christian unity.
At the same time, however, an unfortunate consequence of the implementation of New Directions, in many contexts around the world, was a de facto distancing of IMB work and the ministry of IMB field workers from that of national Baptist unions, our traditional ministry partners of the past. In some places, primarily in Asia, certain regions and people groups which had up to that time been largely closed to traditional mission work became the focus of church planting movement (CPM) methodology. As much of this exciting new work was taking place in areas in which the IMB had not previously worked (at least not openly, to any great extent), the emphasis was placed on IMB missionaries winning totally unreached and unchurched individuals from scratch, discipling them, and equipping them to be the leaders of entirely new networks of churches, or CPMs.
Though it is hard to argue with the results seen through the great number of baptisms and new churches started as a result of following CPM methodology, an important missing element in IMB work in many of these places became evident with time. For example, in the country of India—one of the main focal points of work among unreached people groups, and CPM methodology—there are approximately 21 different Baptist unions and conventions. Yet, from the time the IMB began a serious focus on this part of the world up until just 2 or 3 years ago, there had been very little meaningful contact between IMB workers and these long-standing groups of indigenous believers.
In recent years, from what I have been able to gather, there has been a helpful move toward a middle-ground position in between the pendulum swings of the old restrictive working agreements with Baptist unions and the subsequent de facto distancing of ourselves from close working relationships with our traditional Baptist partners. Specifically, for example, from what I understand, in the case of India, and South Asia, a new role of liaison between the IMB and the various indigenous Baptist unions has recently been created.
Around the same time all of this was taking place within the IMB, however, something else was taking place within the SBC Executive Committee. As Southern Baptists, on an official denomination-wide level, we had, up to this time, related to other Baptist groups around the world by way of our participation in the Baptist World Alliance (BWA). However, as a result of a growing concern among some SBC leaders that the BWA as a whole—and especially some of the member unions and church networks—did not adequately reflect the same values as Southern Baptists, the decision was made to pull out of the BWA.
Wisely, various leaders involved with this decision also realized that it would not be a good thing to completely isolate ourselves, on an official level, from like-minded groups of believers around the world. As a result, the new Global Evangelical Relations department of the SBC Executive Committee was launched, under the direction of Bobby Welch.
In my opinion, a positive aspect in this development was the inclusion of other Bible-believing evangelical groups among the entities with which we as Southern Baptists seek to relate on an official basis, and not just those with “Baptist” in the name. The truth is many of these groups share more of a common set of values with us as Southern Baptists than some more liberal-minded Baptist groups around the world.
At the same time, I believe, it is a bit naïve to think that, in spite of the goodwill and diligent effort given to the cause, one man working out of one office can adequately represent us as Southern Baptists before the myriad of different Baptist unions and other Evangelical groups around the world. The bulk of responsibility for relating to our brothers and sisters in Christ around the world, and to the various organizations they represent, I believe, must continue to fall upon long-term on-site missionary personnel of the IMB.
Ideally, there should be no conflict of interest between these two spheres of influence and work. The Global Evangelical Relations website even states as much here: “This relationship building in no way whatsoever has anything but positive connections with the International Mission Board.” However, with the approval of the GCR Task Force Report, one of the consequences, as claimed by some (such as Morris Chapman here), will be the defunding of SBC Global Evangelical Relations as a part of the fallout of the transfer of a certain percent of CP budget allocations from the EC to the IMB.
In addition to the passing of the GCR Task Force Report, some of the most important decisions before us as Southern Baptists in the coming days have to do with the naming of new presidents for the IMB and NAMB. We already know that Frank Page will be the President of the EC. In my opinion, one of the most important considerations in these appointments (especially that of the IMB) will be the general philosophy with respect to how we relate to and cooperate together with other groups of Baptists and Evangelicals around the world.
Although situations and contexts vary from country to country, and people group to people group, I believe it is crucial that the IMB continue to encourage on-field missionaries to relate with and develop positive cooperative ministry initiatives with already existing evangelical churches and entities in the places in which they work. In many places, there are bridges of trust which must be re-built after misunderstandings caused by the abrupt rescinding of previous ministry agreements, and our withdrawal, as Southern Baptists, from the BWA. But, we cannot afford to operate with the mindset that we as Southern Baptists are going to go out and save the world all on our own.
In some ways, individual churches, through short-term mission teams, and on-going partnerships with other churches and ministries around the world, have an important role to play in all this. In many cases, however, the strategic wisdom and experience long-term workers—both with the IMB, as well as other organizations—have to offer in regard to this can be of vital importance in avoiding missiological blunders and poor stewardship of resources in cross-cultural situations most local churches in the States are not familiar with.
As we move ahead toward the carrying out of our stated objectives for fueling a Great Commission Resurgence, let’s give a concerted effort to being more and more generous with our resources, and more and more conscientious with regard to how we allocate those resources toward Great Commission work around the world. But, let’s not only work hard. Let’s do our best to work smart, as well.



I appreciate your refelective pieces, David.
With respect to the GER office and Bobby Welch (who has lamented that adoption and implementation of the GCRTF report will abolish the position), what do you think is the proper course for the future?
William,
As I understand it, if the EC follows through with the recommendations voted on affirmatively in the GCR-TF Report, they don’t have any other option than to trim about 1/3 of their budget. And, if I understand Dr. Chapman correctly, the only real way this can be done is to defund GER and EKG (along with, perhaps, some other items).
Thus, I feel it is a bit superfluous, at this time, to opine on rather these endeavors should be de-funded or not. I am sure they are good projects overall, and it will be a loss to have to do without them.
In the meantime, the important thing is that this does not translate into a de facto cutting off of ties with other Baptist and Evangelical groups around the world like never before. And, the ones who are in the best position to ensure this doesn’t happen are IMB field personnel. But the day-to-day actions and attitudes of IMB field personnel are, to a large degree, reflective of the values passed down to them by IMB leadership (both administration and trustees).
Thus, I believe the proper course for the future is for IMB leadership to take note of this situation, and to make a concerted effort to instill into IMB field personnel the importance of continuing to develop positive working relationships with national Baptist unions, and other long-standing Evangelical groups in the areas in which they work. This means taking the time to get to know them, hear their concerns, and pray and dialogue together concerning the best way to put the resources God has put into the hands of all to good use, in order to reach the people, and people groups, in their midst with the gospel.
I also believe, that, while the trustees of the IMB are still praying and mulling over who will be the best choice to lead the IMB in the future, these matters should be taken into consideration, and have a bearing on the ultimate choice that is made.
“In my opinion, a positive aspect in this development was the inclusion of other Bible-believing evangelical groups among the entities with which we as Southern Baptists seek to relate on an official basis, and not just those with “Baptist” in the name. The truth is many of these groups share more of a common set of values with us as Southern Baptists than some more liberal-minded Baptist groups around the world.”
I think this is a well written article. We lived in the Dominican Republic for several years in the late seventies and early eighties. One of the first things we noticed was the lack of cooperation between our Southern Baptist missionaries and other evangelical groups. There was fierce competition and a lot of jealousy. As you stated “we cannot afford to operate with the mindset that we as Southern Baptists are going to go out and save the world all on our own.”
Mary Ellen,
Thanks for your encouragement. I am supposing that you were in the Dominican Republic for another reason, not working with the IMB. Is that right?
I am not familiar with the particular missionaries you may have known, or the particular context there in the Dominican Republic. But, I think you will find that the way missionaries have related (and continue to relate) to other evangelicals on the field varies tremendously from area to area, and context to context. However, the values instilled from leadership do end up having an important effect on this, overall.
Good information David,
This summary rang true to me….
“Although situations and contexts vary from country to country, and people group to people group, I believe it is crucial that the IMB continue to encourage on-field missionaries to relate with and develop positive cooperative ministry initiatives with already existing evangelical churches and entities in the places in which they work.”
That philosophy of ministry is scriptural and evokes a togetherness in the field that is much needed.
Thank you for writing this perspective.
Blessings,
Chris
I guess it boils down to this question: Are we going to view the SBC as a box in which we have to operate or a point from which to operate?
We lived in the Dominican Republic because my husband served as a consultant to an American firm that had a plant in Santiago. This was our first experience of living on a foreign mission field. We were very surprised at how jealous some SBC missionaries were of each other and acted so childish. I am a life long Southern Baptist but wondered why we couldn’t “have a spirit of cooperation” with other denominations that were preaching the same message of salvation. We were in Colombia for a short period of time and found the missionaries there entirely different.
I’m not speaking for me here. Please understand this. I’m speaking for people that I know and hear talking from blogland and outside of blogland. But, if the SBC keeps going down the emergent path, and if it keeps going the direction of aggressive, obsessed, 5 point Calvinists getting more influence and power; then you may see a lot of churches out here start doing what the GCR says….designate their money, instead of giving to the CP. I will guarantee you if the aggressive, obsessed, 5 point Calvinists crowd gets more of a say in SBC affairs; you will see a lot of churches…that support the CP big time…drop off. And, if the emerging crowd continues to gain influence in the SBC, you’ll see a lot of other churches, who are big on supporting the CP, who will not give to such things. So, a lot of things may not happen at all without funding.
I really dont think that some of the SBC leadership and people in blogs understand how some of the people in the normal, average, SBC church feel about things like aggressive Calvinism and churches doing things like meeting in bars and having Thurs. Night Beer and Bible meetings. I dont think that some of the SBC leadership and bloggers understand just how much people are gonna balk about the SBC joining with the Assembly of God and Methodist Churches in order to “do missions.”
I really do hope that we wont go down those paths. I really do believe that it will not end well. And, I’m really concerned about the Great Commission being fulfilled. I really do want the SBC to be used of God to fulfill the Great Commission. So, my prayer is that we will stay on course, and that we’ll stay sound and out of extreme’s of theology and practice.
I will say this about me, personally. If the SBC begins starting churches that arent sound in their doctrine, and sending M’s that arent sound in their doctrine; then I will think seriously…very seriously…about adopting the GCR plan of giving…and start looking to the places where I can designate my money.
David
David W.,
1. I’m not really sure how your comment relates to my post. Did you mean to place it somewhere else, perhaps?
2. I’m curious as to who all these emergent and aggressive, obsessed, 5-point Calvinist folks in the SBC you talk about are. Maybe I’m blind. Or, maybe I just haven’t been around enough. But, I have a hard time thinking of who they might be, myself. Seriously.
Thanks David for starting a good discussion on the implementation of the GCR report. I agree with you when you say, “But I would like to submit that a good part of our faithful stewardship in our joint efforts to fulfill the Great Commission has to do not only with giving more money and sending more missionaries, but also with the way in which we work.” One of my disappointments with the GCR report was that it seemed more to do with distribution of money and less with the way in which we work. I think one of Morris Chapman’s points was the last several recommendations would do little to implement the Great Commission. It is still felt by some that the recommendations on NAMB and state convention agreements may do more harm than good and the Great Commission Giving designation will hurt the Cooperative program. I am not a prophet so I am not sure how these will turn out but I do want to comment on your international missions discussions. I will do that in a separate post. I enjoy your posts on missions because they are well thought out and relevant. I also miss Strider’s posts and hope he returns to the discussions.
David, again I agree with you when you say, “As we look at the task of world evangelization from a broad perspective, we see that the most effective and cost-efficient workers are more often than not indigenous evangelists, church planters, missionaries, and pastors.” The point of contention often comes when you say this can be done by following Yohannan’s recommendation that we stop sending missionaries and just send money to organizations such as his or directly to indigenous pastors or churches. There are two problems here. First it seems to contradict the GO part of the Great Commission and the second is that when we start sending money directly to support indigenous pastors and churches they by definition immediately stop being indigenous. There are legitimate times when financial support is helpful but they are the exception and not the rule.
It would be ironic if after years of experience, mission leaders have said we need to move away from direct subsidy of pastor’s salaries and church budgets on our mission fields that we would begin a new era of direct subsidy from American churches and call it missions.
Some of us believe that better results are brought about by working alongside our national co-workers so we can compliment and support each other rather than just sending money. This can result in self-supporting national churches sending out their own missionaries. Brazilian Baptists, Korean Baptists and other national groups are sending missionaries out in large numbers and do so without financial support from groups in the US such as Brother Yohannan’s raising money. In Taiwan where I serve, our national convention needs no financial support from our missionaries and has a robust missions program to many other countries.
I have served with the IMB since 1979 in Asia and mostly in the Taiwan where David Miller is now. I have heard of these supervision agreements you mentioned and know they have existed, maybe in Africa and some historic mission fields, maybe in Spain, but I have never observed or been in a country where the national leaders supervised our missionaries. I remember back in the 80s Costa Rica Baptists demanded the right to decide what missionaries were allowed to serve in their country and be allowed to supervise them and we said we would not work under those conditions and would work independently of the national convention before doing that. Recognizing these problems and working to make changes began long before Jerry Rankin became president of the IMB. A major part of the 70/30 program of Keith Parks and the church growth studies being done in many missions in the 80s was to free missionaries to do what they were called to do and not be doing the non-missionary work you mentioned.
I am aware that New Directions was implemented differently in many parts of the world, but in Asia I saw nothing in New Directions that was to correct the problems you mentioned. If fact, even though the term indigenous was thrown around, in practice New Directions hurt any attempt at indigenization. I often heard New Directions leaders tell nationals, we have this great new method called CPM and if you want to follow our guidance we will cooperate with you. If not, we cannot work together. This resulted as you said in the distancing of our work from many of our national Baptist bodies and resulted in a lose-lose situation. The great thing about New Directions was that it helped us to reach into areas where the gospel was not being shared and to build strategies to reach unreached people groups.
It may be that that New Directions resulted in a great number of baptisms and new churches in some parts of the world but in Taiwan and other places in Asia, New Directions resulted in more baptisms and new church starts being reported but fewer actual baptisms and new starts. Part of this was because of drastic changes in reporting methods and the failure to realize the importance of working with national believers and using indigenous principles.
Ron,
Thanks for your thoughtful comments. It looks to me like we are in agreement on about 98% of what you write. As I tried to communicate clearly in my post (perhaps not so successfully), I do not agree with Yohannan’s thesis. This is for the same reasons you mention here. I do think we need to take him seriously though, and wrestle with the implications of what he says. The problem is when we totally disregard the strong points of his argument, and try to work in an opposite direction, thinking the important work of missions is the work, mostly, of Western expatriates, not of local indigenous folks, nor of the organizations to which they belong.
Also, it is possible that the working agreements in which the national unions pretty much directed the work of IMB missionaries were mostly localized in Europe. But, I seem to remember hearing of similar things from colleagues in various other parts of the world. I imagine the Area Directors during the last years of the Parks tenure had an influence in how this played out in each particular context.
It is also possible that the implementation of New Directions had more to do specifically with this situation in Europe than it did in other parts of the world. But, I have heard, over and over again, from colleagues in various parts of the world that the fallout from New Directions was a de facto distancing of ourselves from our close working relationships with national Baptist unions.
As far as the baptism and church planting statistics are concerned, from what I have heard, an unusually large percentage of these baptisms and church plants have taken place in CPM contexts, primarily in places like South Asia and China. I’m not sure what the actual breakdown on this is, though. I imagine those statistics are available somewhere, though.
Thanks again for your thoughts on this. At the bottom line, I really do think, from what I can tell, we are on the same page regarding these particular issues.
“Some of us believe that better results are brought about by working alongside our national co-workers so we can compliment and support each other rather than just sending money.”
On a lighter note, maybe it would help things out to compliment each other. But, my idea was more that we might complement each other.
David,
Thank you for the correction. I am not an English teacher. Hopefully we will both compliment each other and complement each other.
I agree that we are on the same page on these issues. I am one that has said many times to leaders of the IMB that the fallout from New Directions was a de facto distancing of ourselves from our close working relationships with national Baptist unions. This was a disastrous mistake and in most cases and did not have to happen. In some parts of the world CSI leaders with little experience working in cross cultural settings or with a particular people group were put in charge and destroyed relationships that had been built up over many years. Kingdom building was damaged.
It is true there have been places where baptisms and church planting achieved amazing results in CPM settings. I am somewhat familiar with what happened in China. Unfortunately little flexibility was built into the system and in some places those with experience in a particular setting were ignored or forced out.
Ron,
Yes. Hopefully, we can learn from our errors of the past, and continue to be used of the Lord in the Task He has given us.
David,
In relating to international Baptist bodies and other GCCs we must have mutual trust and act with integrity and transparency if we are to cooperate effectively. Since you brought up the BWA fiasco and Bobby Welch’s Global Evangelism Office, I will comment on my thinking about that. This is probably an area we will disagree on.
I do not believe that the break with the BWA was over liberalism or a difference in shared values. I believe it was to punish the BWA for allowing the CBF to join. I in order to provide a reason to withdraw, evidence was manufactured and sold as the reason for withdrawing. If you read the BP articles after CBF joined, you can clearly see the momentum for breaking the relationship being built.
At about the time the decision was being made BWA president, Bill Kim, was in Taiwan and invited me and several Chinese Baptist pastors to dinner. Even though he and Paige Patterson were friends, Billy told us that Paige was wrong in his claims of liberalism and he had told Paige this and begged him to not carry out his threats. I was asked to explain to my Chinese brothers what was going on since they knew the BWA was not liberal and considered this claim a slander against them as well as the BWA leaders. I could only apologize and ask their forgiveness. David, do you think Paige Patterson and our SBC leaders knew the BWA better then Billy Kim? If the BWA was liberal why would it have a respected conservative such as Billy Kim as its president and Denton Lotz as its executive director? Isn’t it interesting that a few years latter Billy Kim was given an award at the annual SBC meeting. I think they were doing this to apologize to him for their mischaracterization of what they had done.
The new president of the BWA is my friend John Upton, Executive Director of the BGCV. John served with me as an IMB missionary in Taiwan. He is committed to missions and evangelism and is as conservative theologically as Bryant Wright or Frank Page, our SBC leaders. I visited his family back in the 80s when they working to start churches in fishing villages on the east coast of Taiwan. I believe John represents Southern Baptist beliefs and values as well as Paige Patterson if not better.
I assume the Spanish Baptist organization is in the BWA. In any large organization you can find isolated examples of values, theology or thinking that would not be in line with what most of us believe and manufacture an excuse to withdraw fellowship. This is true in the SBC, Spanish Baptists or other Baptist groups.
Can anyone tell me what Bobby Welch has accomplished in the last 5 years? I know of nothing. I am sure he has done much traveling and met with lots of leaders but what has it accomplished that was not being done already. How did the SBC get by for 160 years without his office existing? Our missionaries were already developing relationships with international groups. I have taken the following off the Global Evangelism Relations website of the EC. It lists 3 objectives. I have made my comments after each objective.
Listed below are the three key objectives for Global Evangelical Relations. Number one is to be the priority objective and one for which he has great passion. The other two emphases will be natural overflows of his lifelong commitments to evangelism and biblical stewardship.
(1) “Build an overseas network of relationships and upon invitation develop partnering opportunities such as evangelism and discipleship conferences, working with the chief executives of SBC entities to draw upon the wealth of talent in our SBC entities for the purpose of providing leadership for the conferences.”
Our missionaries already have hundreds of overseas networks of relationships . We already know the leaders of these national entities and meet with them, eat with them, attend their children’s weddings and their parents’ funerals. How is Bobby going to accomplish more? We are establishing relationships with new entities regularly . We also better understand the motives of these entities for wanting relationships than someone coming in for a quick meeting and to attend a banquet. We already help with conferences when needed but we must be careful to not imply we have all the answers and training they need. In overseas settings we usually need to learn more from them than do from us.
(2) “Champion the urgent need for Baptists to be active in witnessing in their family, work, and neighborhood settings. Accept stateside speaking engagements in churches, Baptist associations, and state conventions. Dr. Welch may be contacted by calling 386-253-5691, ext. 401.”
Aren’t our local pastors, churches, associations and state conventions already doing this? I know mine are.
(3) “Encourage Southern Baptists to practice the principles of biblical stewardship in their personal lives in order that they may experience the real meaning of financial freedom and the abundant blessings God has promised. Communicate the importance of the Cooperative Program in supporting world missions.”
Our missionaries are already sharing with our churches the importance of supporting the cooperative program and missions offerings. We can share personally how they are being used. Our state conventions provide stewardship education.
If one result of the GCR task force recommendation is to abolish Welch’s office that would be at least one positive outcome. If Bobby truly wanted to promote positive international relationships with our Baptist bodies, he should go to BWA headquarters and apologize for our actions and then ask if we could be allowed to rejoin the BWA.
Ron,
I am aware there are a good number of conservative folks in the BWA, including a number of key leaders from recent years. I think there are also groups included, which, overall, would be to the left of the SBC on the theological spectrum, if not “liberal,” in the classic sense of the word.
I also think that, as Southern Baptists, we have not defined ourselves very well on where we stand on Christian unity, and ecumenism, in general. Personally, I think the basis of Christian unity is the gospel. Though there are certain other key elements of doctrine that tie in to this, I believe that belief in a gospel that truly saves (i.e. one that, when all is said and done, will get you to heaven) is a key element, when thinking of Christian unity. We should, basically, be seeking to manifest more unity here on Earth with the same group of folks with whom we expect to spend eternity, together with Jesus, in Heaven.
I also believe this group is broader than those who call themselves “Baptists,” or those who are members of an organization such as the BWA. And, though I don’t have any specific examples to give you, I am fairly confident that there are some individuals who are active in the BWA, whose doctrine in several key areas (Christology, soteriology, etc.) does not give me warrant for expecting to spend eternity with them in heaven. I am not saying that doctrine saves. It is faith in Jesus that saves. But, I am saying that certain doctrinal beliefs seem to preclude authentic faith in the biblical Jesus. I am not sure, but I would not be surprised if there are even some entire member groups in the BWA who, if not outright heretical on these matters, are pretty wishy-washy. Perhaps you have done your research, and can enlighten me on this, though.
For all of these reasons, I would prefer for us, as Southern Baptists, to concentrate on relating to Evangelicals at large on a more informal basis, than on specifically “Baptists” on a more formally defined basis. Though, I realize that our decision to pull out of the BWA (and, especially, the way in which it was done) had an unfortunately negative effect on our relationships with many doctrinally sound, evangelical, Baptist brothers and sisters in Christ, and with the organizations they represent. And, that is a shame.
The big question, though, is, Where do we go from here? As I state in my post, I believe the main burden for relating with Christians, and groups of Christians, around the world, should fall upon long-term on-site IMB workers in the various places in which they live and work. It looks like you and I are in agreement on this.
I don’t think the possibility of re-joining the BWA is very realistic at this stage. Given that, I think we should try to do our best to tackle this from a “ground-zero” perspective. How do we best relate, as members of the Body of Christ, scattered over the face of the earth, one to another?
Personally, I am not convinced by the Roman Catholic hierarchical, enforced doctrine, model. Neither am I convinced by the World Council of Churches, “whatever goes,” pragmatic model. I believe we must insist on the centrality of the biblical gospel as the factor that unites us. Our unity this side of heaven will likely always be more informal, organic, and personal, than formal and hierarchical. And, I believe it is on-site folks, who see each other on a regular basis, who are the best ones to carry this out in a practical way: e.g. missionaries and other cross-cultural workers.
I also believe IMB missionaries should seek to relate in positive and cooperative ways to the various Baptist unions in the areas in which they work, independently of whether they are BWA members or not. They should not limit themselves to relating to Baptist unions, though. They should seek to relate to all those who are truly members of the Body of Christ. In some places and contexts, some relationships with some particular groups may be more strategic than others with other groups. This is only natural. But, we must distinguish between Christian unity, and missional cooperation. There are some groups that make more natural partners for missional cooperation. There are others that don’t. But, that doesn’t mean we should treat them as if we don’t share Christian unity with them.
Ron West,
While you may believe the withdrawal from BWA was over CBF, I don’t. Conservative Pastors have been upset with BWA for long before there was a CBF. Many of us felt about it, the same way we feel about the UN. It is a liberal leaning organization whose priorities do not blend well with grass roots Southern Baptists.
My personal contacts with folks affiliated with the BWA have never been positive from an evangelism-discipleship perspective.
One might argue whether or not Southern Baptists should have withdrawn from the BWA, but to say that it was a reaction to the CBF indicates a failure to recognize the historical angst of conservative Southern Baptist Pastors over the years toward the organization. It is equivalent of saying that should we withdraw from the UN is is over a single contemporary event. Just isn’t so. Now such an event might be the catalyst for finally acting, but it is based on long historical differences.
David and Mike we will just have to agree to disagree on this. I think the evidence shows fairly clearly that the reception of CBF was the catalyst and main reason for Paige pushing the withdrawal from the BWA and not theology.
David you said, “And, though I don’t have any specific examples to give you, I am fairly confident that there are some individuals who are active in the BWA, whose doctrine in several key areas (Christology, soteriology, etc.) does not give me warrant for expecting to spend eternity with them in heaven.” I don’t have any specific examples of that either. I do have many examples of solid theologically conservative Baptists in leadership positions and Baptist Unions and Conventions that are as conservative theologically as the SBC. It is interesting that we don’t need specific examples. All we need is rumor and gossip from Patterson and his pals. I could make the same statement about the SBC. There are probably individuals in the SBC whose doctrine does not give us warrant for expecting to spend eternity with them I heaven. I still don’t plan to withdraw from the SBC. Do you?
On a different subject, you said, “some of the most important decisions before us as Southern Baptists in the coming days have to do with the naming of new presidents for the IMB and NAMB. We already know that Frank Page will be the President of the EC. In my opinion, one of the most important considerations in these appointments (especially that of the IMB) will be the general philosophy with respect to how we relate to and cooperate together with other groups of Baptists and Evangelicals around the world.”
I agree. I have heard the committee will probably pick someone from outside the IMB. How do you feel about this? I think it is a matter of concern what philosophy this person will have with respect to how we cooperate with Baptists and Evangelicals around the world. Two of the names I have heard mentioned have caused me great concern.
Ron,
In the interest of full disclosure, I must admit that I don’t have any real first-hand information to confirm my “hunches” that I alluded to above regarding the BWA, and its member organizations.
Once again, I am certain (and, in this point, am in agreement with you) there are many fine Bible-believing, born again, warm-hearted, bona fide brothers and sisters in Christ who are involved in the BWA at various levels, from the top leadership on down. And, I do not have concrete evidence of any who are otherwise.
Also, I agree with you that in any organization, the SBC included, there will always be isolated exceptions to the rule.
I have just looked through the BWA website (as I have done on previous occasions) to try to glean what I could there, regarding the matter of discussion at hand. It is hard for me to make any determinations one way or the other from this. I can say there seems to be different sort of “feel” to what I see and read there from what I would expect to see and read from an SBC publication. This might be because of cultural differences. It is hard to say for sure. There doesn’t seem to be a heavy emphasis on theology, evangelism, discipleship, church planting, etc., but more on social justice, and helping out the underprivileged.
Admittedly, all of this is very subjective. And, I am in no way opposed to social justice or helping out the underprivileged. Though, my views on this are probably different than some among us (see, for example, here: http://www.sbcimpact.net/2010/03/15/christ-the-faithful-suffering-servant-in-the-midst-of-culture/ ).
Also, I am sure that many member organizations take a much more open position to women pastors and egalitarianism in general than we have as Southern Baptists. And, I my guess is there would probably be a good degree of openness among some to neo-orthodox theology, perhaps liberation theology, etc.
If anyone reading this has any hard evidence one way or the other on this, I would be very interested to hear it, as this is a topic that would take a bit of time an effort to research on my own.
In any case, Ron, I don’t want to give the idea that my mind is closed on this particular issue.
As far as the next IMB president is concerned, I have made known my preferences for a someone with significant cross-cultural experience–i.e. as a career missionary–on other occasions (see, for example comment streams here: http://www.sbcimpact.net/2008/02/04/why-a-missionary-should-lead-the-international-mission-board/ and here: http://sbctoday.com/2008/02/01/who-is-being-served/ and here: http://sbctoday.com/2009/09/21/who-is-being-served-redux/ ).
And, I am making known my preference, along with you, on this post here for someone who sees as an important priority our relationships with other Baptists and Evangelicals around the world.
Thanks David. I appreciate your open and fair minded attitude.
I do have concerns that having an IMB president who has not had significant experience living and minstering in a cross cultural setting would present problems. By considerable, I mean more than one term on the field. I am not opposed to having an outside the IMB person selected but he would need to be a man with exceptional ability and spiritual strength.