Disagreement, Conflict, and the GCR
Posted by David Rogers in Baptist Life, Bible & Theology, Church & Missions
As I have read through a lot of the commentary that has come out in the past couple of months on the GCR Task Force report, it seems as if most of those expressing their views have a strong opinion one way or another, some in favor, and others opposed to it (or at least to some of the recommendations). There have been some exceptions, but they have been comparatively few and far between. I realize that for any politicized issue (i.e. issues on which votes are taken) this is only natural. Most people who write for the public about politicized issues write with a view toward persuading others to vote a certain way. And, uncertain, unenthusiastic presentations don’t usually do a very good job of inspiring people to action.
Over the last couple of decades, American society in general has become highly polarized and emotionally charged, due, in great part, to this same dynamic in the realm of secular politics. When seeking to win people over to your way of thinking, it is normally best not to be too generous when considering the possible virtues of the opposition or of their platform. One of the most effective ways to galvanize your constituency to action is to demonize the opposition, or to call into question their motives and/or competence in what they do. But, once again, in the world in which we live, to a certain degree, this is only natural. Politics is politics, and no one ever said it wasn’t supposed to work that way. It pretty much goes along with the territory.
However, in the kingdom of God, I believe we are called to a higher standard. In the end, it is not all about winning. Rather, it is about serving. And being faithful. And obedient. And showing love one to another.
During and after the Conservative Resurgence of the SBC, it was predicted by many on the “moderate side” that, after winning the battle for control of the seats of influence within denominational life, the “conservatives” would eventually turn on each other, and end up splintering into a number of different sub-factions. If we are honest with ourselves, I think we must recognize that this prediction cuts closer to home than we generally like to admit.
One year ago, at Louisville, after a couple of years of rising tension within the ranks of SBC conservatives, the messengers present at the convention voted by an overwhelming 95% to approve the appointment of the GCR Task Force. There was optimistic excitement in the air, as we as a convention agreed to think and dream together, and seek God’s direction, through the leadership of the Task Force, regarding how we might be able to more effectively put the resources He has entrusted into our hands to good use toward the fulfillment of the Great Commission.
However, our enemy is very astute. And, he would like nothing more than to use that which holds great potential to unite us in seeking God’s face and fulfilling God’s task as a means to sow discord among us, and, in some way or another, derail what God is up to in our midst.
None of this means there is never a time and a place, in God’s work, for disagreements. However, we must be very careful that, when we disagree, we disagree in a Christ-honoring way. I do not believe we should sacrifice truth at the altar of unity. Unity that is maintained at the expense of freedom to hold to and express one’s convictions is, beneath the veneer, false unity. When we give in to the veiled threats and deceitful rhetoric of those who would seek to force their way by means of manipulation, we are ultimately not promoting peace, but undermining it.
The New Testament gives us several examples of different types of disagreement in the life of the Apostle Paul that I believe can serve as a useful model for us as we seek to voice our disagreements in a Christ-honoring way.
Paul and the Jerusalem Council. You perhaps have to read between the lines a little here, but I do not think it is a far stretch to infer that the outcome of the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15 was not exactly what Paul had envisioned or hoped for, going in to it (Acts 15:19-21; cf. Romans 14; 1 Corinthians 8). There were different points of view expressed, and the ultimate resolutions adopted were somewhat of a compromise between them. Yet, it was a compromise that Paul could live with, and one that, in the end, he could enthusiastically support. He didn’t feel he would have to compromise on any key convictions in order to go along with the recommendations of the apostles and elders at Jerusalem, and ended up deferring to, and openly advocating, those things which, after a lively discussion, they had agreed upon among themselves.
Paul and Barnabas. The disagreement Paul had with Barnabas over whether or not to take John Mark with them on his second missionary journey was of a different nature. In the end, Paul could not, in good conscience, sign on to Barnabas’ way of seeing things, and, as a result, he broke off his previous ministry cooperation agreement with him. I believe it is significant, however, that Paul never broke Christian fellowship with Barnabas or with John Mark. They simply agreed to disagree, and to work separately (at least, for a season), while continuing to regard each other as brothers in Christ, and to treat each other accordingly. While some interpreters laud the more magnanimous approach of Barnabas in his dealings with Mark, I believe it is perhaps instructive that, in the rest of the book of Acts, we hear a great deal about God’s mighty work through Paul, while Barnabas pretty much drops off the scene, so to speak. Yet, in the end, there appears to be a reconciliation and restoration of ministry cooperation between Paul and Mark (2 Timothy 4:11).
Paul and Peter. In Galatians 2:11-21, it says that Paul opposed Peter to his face, when he refused to eat together with Gentile believers. He did not mince words. He knew he was wrong. And, he knew it was no trivial matter. It surely must have taken a lot of guts, on Paul’s part, to do this. Peter was regarded as a pillar in the Church. And yet, he knew if he remained silent, or just tried to sort of smooth things over, he could not be at peace with his own conscience. And, it was only after Peter backed down, and admitted he was wrong, that Paul desisted on this one. For him, the gospel itself was at stake. But, once Peter admitted the error of his way, Paul was quick to embrace him again as a brother and fellow servant in the work of the gospel (1 Corinthians 3:21-23; 2 Peter 3:15-16).
Paul and Bar-Jesus. If Paul was blunt in his conflict with Peter, he was even more pointed in his conflict with Bar-Jesus (or Elymas the sorcerer). Acts 13:9-10 says that, “Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked straight at Elymas and said, You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord?” This was the same Paul who wrote, “If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone” (Romans 12:18). What was going on here? Was Paul not practicing what he preached? I think a better explanation is that, for Paul, it was not possible to “live at peace” with someone, such as Bar-Jesus, who, very clearly, was an enemy of the cross who was subverting the gospel. Indeed, there is a time and a place, if we are going to be faithful servants of our Lord, to be bold in our opposition to certain individuals and the ideas they stand for.
With those, like Bar-Jesus, who do not claim to be followers of Jesus, this is relatively straightforward. However, at times, there are others who, at one time or another, have claimed to believe in Jesus, such as Hymenaeus and Alexander (1 Timothy 1:19-20; 2 Timothy 4:14-15), or who teach a false gospel (Galatians 1:6-9), toward whom we must also voice our unyielding opposition.
What does all this mean for us, as Southern Baptists, as we get ready for the convention in Orlando next week?
First of all, we should not feel the need to be afraid or ashamed to voice our opinions on potentially controversial issues on which we may not all see eye to eye. But, we must learn to do so with love and respect. And, when the votes are taken, if things don’t go exactly as we might hope, we should be prepared to defer to the will of the majority, and continue to work, hand in hand, for the advance of God’s kingdom. We should be careful not to “cast stones” at our brothers and sisters in Christ, denigrate them in any way, or respond with passive-aggressive behavior.
If there are issues due to which we cannot, with a good conscience, continue to work together, then let’s be mature and honest enough to admit it, and do our best to part ways amicably. Personally, I don’t see why any of the proposals being voted on at this convention are necessarily of this nature. From time to time, however, there are issues that arise over which it is probably best not to try to force cooperation, even among genuine brothers and sisters in Christ. However, Christian unity and cooperation in specific ministry projects are not the same thing. And, even when we feel we must not continue to cooperate with certain brothers and sisters in Christ on a certain project, or series of projects, we must not use this as an excuse for failing to do our best to walk in Christian unity with them.
There are other times when we must be more direct and open in our opposition to others. When those times come, let’s be bold and consistent in our opposition. But, let’s make sure they really are issues that call for this type of opposition. Let’s be sure to not let Satan get a foothold and drive a wedge between us over issues that are merely differences of opinion.
In the end, whatever the outcome of the votes on the Task Force’s report, the work is the Lord’s. Without His supernatural work among us, we will never see any significant progress in our efforts to see the Great Commission fulfilled. That doesn’t mean the practical concerns contained in the report do not matter. But, even if we as a convention make all the right decisions regarding the report, but, at the same time, allow them to divide us and lead us to hold grudges toward one another, we run the risk of seeing it all come to naught.
May God give us grace for the days ahead.



David,
Where would I go online to see what some of the topics that will be presented say? I never have been involved in Convention activity and have had a recent interest.
I have been in a church where information or topics or directions were brought up during the business meeting only and voted on within about 5 or 10 minutes. Is it done this way at the Convention? If so, how in the Kingdom do we find God’s will in that?
Our pastor is heading there next week and there has not been much said about the activities that will be going on.
Good post for those who are going.
Thank you
David:
Interesting confession of a sort you have come up with here.
I don’t know what to say. Don’t know if history coulda been rewound your sentiments here coulda had some effect on WA Criswell, even your Father and other friends before they gave some of their stem winding provocations in the Pastors Conference meetings before the annual SBC’s of the 80′s.
I don’t think Ed McAteer was an improvement on Foy Valentine, nor Ronnie Floyd on Carlyle Marney.
Maybe the ten pages Gus Niebuhr has on Louisville, Ky in Beyond Tolerance could help your deeper understanding.
Seriously, it’s a very fine meditation on your subject here.
You may want to follow the thread at baptistlife.com faith and practice forum I put up to mirror your discussion here.
I give you credit, in the world of the SBC a most timely offering.
Bruce,
The program of the convention can be found here:
http://www.sbcannualmeeting.net/sbc10/program/
As I understand it, the various motions and resolutions to be debated and voted on are not presented officially until the actual convention. In recent years, though, some people have publicized items of business they are submitting ahead of time, through their blogs. There are always some last-minute surprises, though.
The procedures regarding all this are described in detail here:
http://www.sbc.net/aboutus/legal/bylaws.asp#bylaw20
This year, however, as an exceptional item of business, we already know in advance that the GCRTF’s report is going to be discussed and voted on. The full report can be found here:
http://www.pray4gcr.com/reports/penetrating-the-lostness/
Thanks, Dave.
I appreciate the information.
I have been in only one Baptist church that does their business properly. I think it is how we as Baptist do the “business” that creates most of the dissention within the ranks. Never should Christian business create mistrust. If that occurs and suspicion is prevalent throughout, I know God isn’t in it. This one area of business activity is where I would take issue from the local church to the Convention.
Stephen,
Unfortunately, history cannot be rewound. We must do our best to respond positively and deal appropriately with the circumstances of today. We should not get stuck in the past, nursing grudges of things over which we have no control now.
I imagine you are familiar with Reinhold Niebuhr’s Serenity Prayer. I think it is very relevant, in this case.
“God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
Living one day at a time;
Enjoying one moment at a time;
Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace;
Taking, as He did, this sinful world
as it is, not as I would have it;
Trusting that He will make all things right
if I surrender to His Will;
That I may be reasonably happy in this life
and supremely happy with Him
Forever in the next.
Amen.”
David,
Great words, well timed and needed to be said. For me, the inner bickering is causing me to think of pastoring outside the SBC flock.
I’m tired of the baseless battle and mean spirited words being thrown out into the public square for a world who needs Jesus to have one more reason to walk away from His free gift of grace. from pulpits to blogs, its time to lift our strength (Jesus) not our weaknesses (the other guy).
jle
Hi Dave,
You have brought up some very good points in this post. As I peruse the blogs (and Baptist Press), discussions about the GCR seem to have gone from simmering to boiling in a very short time!
For me, the decision at last year’s SBC to form a Great Commission Resurgence Task Force was the high point (“optimistic excitement” as you put it), but it’s gone downhill from there.
I was disappointed when I heard that Ronnie Floyd had been named chairman of the Task Force. He was roundly defeated when he ran for SBC president and the appointment seemed calculated to help him regain some lost status in the SBC.
This is typically the case, but I was also disappointed that the Task Force was composed of big names and big churches. When so many SBC churches (83%?) have a few hundred members, why is the TF made up mostly of folks from huge churches? These churches do not look like the average SBC church in both size and giving, yet they have significant representation on a committee which may determine the future course of the SBC.
I was also disappointed when I read bloggers and maybe a BP article speculating whether or not the Task Force was influencing (or intending to influence) the search committees of SBC entities looking for new presidents. The very mention of this possibility eroded a little more of my excitement for the GCR.
But the last straw for me was when the Task Force recommended “Great Commission Giving” to stand alongside the CP. Many folks have opinions about what GCG will “look like” if implemented. As I see it there are three possibilities: 1. it may not make any noticeable difference; 2. it could be a wonderful boost to accelerate great commission ministries around the world; or 3. it could result in the weakening, if not the end of our commitment to cooperation in the SBC. If #3 is just as likely as #2, it should not come as a surprise that some folks are strongly against it. Certainly there are many things that ought to be examined as we evaluate how well we are obeying the Great Commission and what more needs to be done.
As the convention draws near, another disappointment is that the rhetoric both for and against the recommendations has increased to the degree it has. Whatever the results of the vote(s), it now seems unlikely that there is any common ground or that the “losers” should be satisfied. This is very unfortunate. I think that the fact that some of our entity heads (Akin, Rankin and now Chapman) have been vocal about their opinions has intensified this situation.
Like most IMB m’s I won’t be in Orlando. I have to trust that the Lord will lead and His people will listen and together we’ll work to glorify Him by making His name known among the nations!
Katie
Jon,
Thanks for the encouragement. Personally, I don’t see it so much as a decision to pastor within “the SBC flock” or outside of it. You (and every other pastor) are pastor of the local church to which God has called you. Of course, you must be clear that God has indeed called you to pastor that church. Then, the entire congregation together must seek to identify their own spiritual S.H.A.P.E. and see where you best fit into what God is doing in the world through His Body at large, and what is the wisest stewardship of the resources He entrusts you with (see my last post: http://www.sbcimpact.net/2010/05/23/re-prioritizing-the-task/).
For most SBC-affiliated congregations, the emotional capital, and time and energy invested into supporting SBC projects and causes, should cause us to think long and hard before jumping ship. In the end, however, staying with the convention is not the sine qua non of biblical faithfulness. Everyone must follow the dictates of their own conscience, before the Lord.
As long as we are still on board, though, I think it is important we see to it that the opposition we feel we need to voice on this or that is, when all is said and done, a loyal opposition, and not just casting stones and airing complaints.
Katie,
Thanks for your comments as well. Though I have gone on record as supporting the Task Force report, and as planning to vote in favor of it (see my last post I link to in my comment to Jon above), I must admit that some of the points brought out by those who are opposed (especially those you mention here) give good cause to pause and reflect.
Whatever the convention ultimately decides on these points, though, I think we must all be on guard to make sure the enemy doesn’t get the better of us. I especially hope and pray God will be merciful and allow us to make decisions and act in such a way as to more faithfully and effectively support those like yourself who are active on the “battlefield” in which we are really called to be engaged.
If the Convention votes to go in a certain direction and the pastor goes back to the church to implement the action, how does he do it as a pastor described in 1 Peter 5:3 “nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock;”?
Does he simply introduce it to the church and let them decide if they want to go that direction? Or, does he implore the church to go in that direction?
The reason I ask is, if the pastor is to exemplify the GCR, shouldn’t he already have a track record supporting this direction within his church already since it is biblical church activity now? If he is not doing this already he has no example for his flock to follow. For some, it seems that this would take a year or so for the pastor to get on track before he simply “tells” people what we ought to do.
Hope that makes sense. I know this is a little bit slippery for a layman to speak out on, however, we must follow scripture on the faith we are given. By the way, our pastor has been very evangelistic already and there has been a surge in this area since January.
Bruce,
Good question. I see it as sort of a “what comes first, the chicken or the egg?” thing. None of us is doing all we ought to be doing. Yet, we are all admonished to “consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds” (Hebrews 10:24). I think I would recommend, little by little, working to improve our own example, and, at the same time, mutually exhorting each other to do the same. And, in the process, remembering to show grace to each other.
Bruce’s comments resonate with me.
I’m a pastors son with a number of pastors in my extended family and have spent the bulk of my life in small to average SBC churches. For context, I point to the experience that I share with millions of fellow Southern Baptists that church business meetings, with few exceptions, tend to fall in one of two categories: 1) the contentious type where one or more power families want to haggle over every detail (type of light fixtures, color hymn books/carpets, etc…) and 2) the type where all of the important decisions have already been made by leadership behind the scenes so that unanimous votes during the meeting can provide the appearance of unity. While I would prefer something between these options, if forced, I’d choose #2 (I’ve been in far too many churches where conflict is seen as self-evident virtue). But the problem with #2 is how often disagreements are handled. The one with the disagreement is too often targeted as one sowing strife and being in opposition to unity.
My concern with the composition of GCRTF and the reports so far is that those who disagree with the recommendations are going to be targeted and summarily dismissed in favor of getting to an appearance of unity. I’ve seen this on several discussion forums over the last year. Person A observes that the committee is not representative of the average SBC church and that the presence of certain agency representatives may push the recommendations toward being protective rather than proactive. Persons B, C, D, etc… declare that such an accusation is beyond the pale and that Person A is sowing discord during such a critical moment in SBC history. The discussion then turns toward Person A rather than the nature of the concerns expressed and the result is a squelching of a healthy critical conversation. FWIW, I seen the same thing going in the other direction as well.
I agree with the maxim that the “perfect is the enemy of the good” and that the SBC can’t hold out until we get the perfect set of recommendation from this or future taskforce. But I hear the concerns in the words of Bruce and sense (based on nearly 40 years of being aware of SBC polity at both the local and denominational level) a real risk that the task force’s report will be seen as just the latest example of bias toward the mega church (i.e. the change away from a CP evaluation basis) and specific agencies (i.e. the lack of a real evaluation of spending by the seminaries and all agency trustee boards). What is at risk here is that a sizeable majority of small to medium churches (the ones who have been giving to the CP sacrificially for decades) will hasten their slide toward cynicism towards things SBC. A likely result will likely be a continued decline in denominational giving…and isn’t this condition the foundation reason we have a GCR task force anyway?
What I hope for is a generation of SBC leaders that understands that real leadership need not rely on the political tactics of the past in order to gain short term victories.
Jonathan,
Good food for thought. Down through the years, I have been on the “inside” (at least, as a family member) in mega-churches, as well as participated in, and pastored small churches. I think we all need to do our best to listen sympathetically to the concerns of those in situations different than our own.
One good thing about the GCR process during the past year has been all the dialogue that has taken place over these issues. The key is trying to make sure it is constructive dialogue and not destructive criticism.
I really believe 98% of those on both sides of this discussion are motivated by a desire to be faithful, effective stewards in the task God has given to us. We really need to learn to listen to each other with that attitude, choosing to give each other the benefit of the doubt, when we don’t agree on every point, and being open to changing our mind, when others help us to see things from a different perspective.
David,
Thank you for steering us in the direction of unity. It is a difficult task to maintain a large convention without ruffing feathers and hurting feelings. I too hope that the convention is focused on Christ and each messenger is coming with the intent of maintaining unity.
May God grant us the capacity to live out patience, and kindness, and gentleness so that we can realize the work before us.
Blessings,
Chris
Chris,
Thanks. I’m looking forward to finally meeting you in person. E-mail me (and Dave Miller). We need to set a time and place to meet.
Jonathan,
I’m glad you commented. I have experienced both scenarios you mentioned and have walked away in utter disbelief on occasions. I think most of that comes from Roberts Rules of Order since it is used exclusively in worldly business and politics. Why Baptist have chosen that order is simply confusion to me. Because I live by faith, I am sensitive when my church does not approach its business by faith, as well. If my pastor does not set the example of faith in the business meetings of the church, he must not be living by faith. The equation is simple and should be easy to detect if our personal faith-walk is genuine.
There were church leaders that would present to the people what they wanted to do. A committee would be generated by the people through secret vote. There would be prayer by the body for the committee and a charge that aligned their duties, along with boundaries. The people would pray for God’s will to be revealed to the people of this committee. Upon completion, the committee would present their findings to the church, there would be questions and answers and then there would be a full week the people had to think and pray about it. The church would be able to contact the committee chairman with additional questions or comments and they would address those questions the following week or in some written form. Once all the questions were finished, the committee would verify that this is truly God’s will to do the way they presented it or it was not. (Aren’t we trying to find God’s will in everything we do as a church, as a convention? Are we bold enough to state that a decision IS God’s will?) It was the third or fourth week that it was voted on and always by secret vote. The vote was in 3 answers;
1. Yes, I’m favor and I will support the venture.
2. Neutral, based upon the information I have, but will agree with the majority. (This vote counted as a Yes or No)
3. No. I do not believe we should go in this direction based upon the information I have received.
Comments: (Depending on what the individual needed to say)
The results of the voting would already have established percentages for approving. If these requirements were not met, the leadership would have to take steps to continue or revise or reject the plan as the will of God. You know, we preach these kinds of things and you would think we would set up everything in a church to follow God’s path of FAITH. What a great way of discipling the church and it is seldom used.
One last thought:
If we do not have the presence of Christ in our churches it may be because the discipleship opportunities we are given are set aside for our personal agendas. Jesus promised to be present with us after He said to go and tell and, then, disciple. We cannot choose what we want to do and expect Christ to be present.
Chris/Dave/David,
I think all of you guys are going to the convention based off of comments I have read. My wife and I are planning on going and I hope to meet all of you there. You guys are good brothers in the Lord in my book.
Benji,
I’d love to meet you. Send me an e-mail at loveeachstone@gmail.com.
Let’s make sure to make it happen. Maybe you can crash the party when Dave and Chris and I all get together.
Anyone else who wants to join in, let me know.
I’m in on that one, Benji and David.
David and Dave,
Sounds good. Just sent an e-mail to David.
Dave, David,and Benji… I look forward to meeting you guys (and your families) as well. It should be a good week! I’m arriving on an early Monday morning flight.
Blessings,
Chris
Adrian Rogers and Bill Hull; Conflict Resolution in Context.
David: I appreciate your response in Comment 5 above. A little off topic but while we consider the chances for consensus this grand nuance with some historical perspective came up today and I wanted to publicly bring it to your attention.
At this site there is another review of the same book; back to back reviews.
I may pursue some other nuances at the thread I have established at bl.com.
But for the record on this day:
http://www.ethicsdaily.com/news.php?viewStory=16194
The GCR and Richard Land and CP Dollars.
Will anyone speak to this in Orlando?
http://www.ethicsdaily.com/news.php?viewStory=16200
Bruce, thanks for the description of the process by which your church handles major proposals. I can see the sense in this. I can also see how a number of my pastor friends would chafe at having to wait 4 weeks for a decision to be made. Pros/Cons on both sides. Such is the healthy tension in a Christian organization, I suppose, but how this tension is encountered is a key indicator of organizational health. Is it tolerated just long enough for the leadership to get its vision approved by the body or is it recognized as the tip of something much deeper that must addressed (to the glory of God and to the good of all of the assembly)?
This GCRTF exercise began because the messengers agreed that the SBC is in crisis. The indicators that we have pointed to for at least my lifetime (giving, budgets, baptisms, IMB commissions, etc…) show that we’re moving in the wrong direction. The majority of churches in the SBC hear this talk of crisis, see the data, and agree that something must be done.
We select a blue-ribbon task force, give them a budget ($250,000), and instruct them to study the problem for a year and then come back with recommendations that are, at the very least, worthy of meeting the crisis.
BTW, none of this occurs in a vacuum. We’ve seen evidence of mismanagement at the NAMB. We’ve become aware of just how many trustees each agency has with infrequent hints at just how much is costs to support the meetings and travel of that number. We’ve heard reports that as many as 600 IMB field positions will be eliminated in 2010 alone. We’ve seen and heard policy and theological disagreements between certain agencies turn into almost clandestine attempts at credibility undermining. We remember the outrage that was expressed (or manufactured depending on your viewpoint or perhaps your age) during a recent convention over the issue off alcohol use. All of these things and more occur as the task to take the Gospel to the unreached gets more and more dangerous and the world as a whole seems more and more on one brink or another.
So we eagerly awaited the recommendations of a committee of which could be said that when they met for a meal, there was more earnest Baptist firepower present…except, of course, when Adrian Rogers dined alone.
We get the recommendations and just scratch our heads. “This” is the response to the present crisis? This is what we spent all of this firepower on?
In discussing this with a friend of mine currently enrolled in an MDiv program at one of our seminaries, I expressed this thought. His response was, “So we should do nothing, then?”
Really? That’s the alternative?
Let’s make this really clear (so that I and my fellow small church folks can understand it): We’re a convention of +40,000 churches, with a total church membership above 15 million. And we’re struggling to approach 6,000 IMB field personnel after 165 years of being a convention chartered for the purpose of supporting the world mission? Its time we stop being content with high minded praise, great speakers, and thunderous applause.
I think that the GCRTF heads in a good direction but it is nowhere near radical enough for the age. If I were a messenger in Orlando, I’d vote “no” but would follow my “no” vote up with a motion for a committee get back to work and come back with a plan that is worthy of the crisis.
Jonathan,
I pretty much agree–when I saw the initial report of the GCRTF, my first thought was, “This is all they came up with?” Yet, with the pushback we are seeing, I have concluded that perhaps this is the most we can hope for, right now. We don’t want to cause World War III among us, as a result of barrelling through, when a lot of folks are not yet ready to get on board. And, as far as I can tell, there are some legitimate questions. For example, no one can tell for sure, so far, whether passing the report will end up being beneficial for overall CP receipts, or harmful. If this group of people, who I trust love the Lord as much as I do, and who are as gifted and intelligent as I am, have come up with these recommendations, my tendency is to give them a vote of confidence, and go with what they came up with. To me, a “no” vote would be a blow to momentum. We need to work with what we’ve got, show grace to each other, and each one search his/her own heart to see if, as individuals, we are doing the best we can, instead of looking to place the blame somewhere else.
Jonathan,
To answer your question, the church used the method I described to purchase a strip center they were renting space in. They knew the owner wanted to sell and the price was set and reasonable at the time. The committee presented it to the body and they went through the process. All agreed except one (1) older lady that simply stated she did not believe it was God’s timing to purchase without cash. They brought it back to the body and they prayed and agreed to wait and continue to save toward the purchase. It was 1 1/2 years later that the owner came back to the church with a drastically reduced price due to his financial situation. They purchased the strip center with cash which had two (2) additional tenants with leases they did not want out of. What a testimony we had and the people rejoiced in how the hand of God moved. Most churches today are not willing to wait on God for some reason. They have a carnal urgency that is blamed on the 2nd coming possibility and move too quickly. They simply are not capable of discerning the Spirit over the flesh anymore because so much of what is done within the church is of the flesh. Because of this, I believe the SBC will struggle with the GCR more than expected. If most are not living by faith now, the GCR will work against every effort exerted. It is sad to say that most of the SBC will one day say, “ ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?” (Matthew 25:44) It is all about faith and the works that flow from its fountain in our hearts.
Thank God that the SBC is dealing with how Calvinistic we’re going to be, rather than dealing with universalism….like in the CR days. Thank God that today a lot of us are calling for better ecclesiology, rather than dealing with people, who deny the inerrancy of Scripture…as it was in the days of the CR. Thank God that we’re discussing a Great Commission Resurgence, and what’s the best way to accomplish this; rather than dealing with people, who just wanted us to do social work-with really no preaching of the Gospel…as it was in the days of the CR.
The SBC is far, far, far better off today; than it was in Pre-CR days. Way better. No comparison.
I’ll take todays SBC over the Pre-CR SBC any day of the week.
So, yea, sometimes people can get emotional and say things they shouldnt say, or can act ugly. But, there’s nothing wrong with disagreeing and discussing and voting as you feel led to vote. And, thank God that we’re discussing things like we’re discussing in the SBC today, rather than dealing with all the liberal nonsense that was going on in the pre-CR days.
David
The Memphis Commercial Appeal and Bellevue Baptist has created about 800 comments and counting from a front page story of few days ago.
What are you making of all that conflict.
I’m not sure what to make of it; other than there are no winners in such a mess.
As usual, I’m late reading SBC Impact, and will probably proceed to make a rather off-the-wall comment, but I couldn’t resist commenting on this:
This is the technique that C. S. Lewis tagged Bulverism back in the 1940′s. I’ve blogged on Bulverism before – you can read it here.
I’m not sure if it’s natural, though it certainly is pervasive. It may very well be Satanic (or at least have originated with Satan). I believe the first instance of Bulveristic argument can be found in Gen 3, in the serpent’s deception of Eve. He doesn’t try to prove the Adam and Eve should be allowed to eat the fruit, he just attacks God’s supposed motives for making the prohibition – essentially “God knows eating the fruit will make you become like Him and (implied) He doesn’t want that”. It’s essentially the original version of “Da Man is just trying to keep you down”.
Lewis coined a name for for this type of argument because he found it so pervasive. He seems to have thought it particularly tied to 20-th century thought. I believe it has become even more pervasive since them, and yes, it’s easy for Christians to get caught up in it, partly because we’re not taught about it and about avoiding it. It’s tempting because 1) it does seem to be effective; and 2) the alternative to engaging in Bulverism is to actually listen to your opponent’s arguments, actually think about them, and actually figure out where the arguments (not the people) are wrong (if indeed they are wrong – that’s part of the scary part of this comes in – you in the process have to consider the possibility that it’s your arguments that are wrong). That’s a lot of work. It’s much easier to just cast aspersions on your opponent’s motives or background.
I’d like to see the term taken up among Christians and taught against (teaching against the technique, not against the name). If the technique really originates from Satan, and we allow it within church behavior and politics, can we really be said to be separating ourselves from the world?