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	<title>Comments on: I Want to be Like Lot When I Grow Up</title>
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		<title>By: rastis</title>
		<link>http://sbcimpact.org/2009/12/01/i-want-to-be-like-lot-when-i-grow-up/#comment-12201</link>
		<dc:creator>rastis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nevermind...  The job which pays my bills sent me out of town. Another time perhaps</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nevermind&#8230;  The job which pays my bills sent me out of town. Another time perhaps</p>
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		<title>By: rastis</title>
		<link>http://sbcimpact.org/2009/12/01/i-want-to-be-like-lot-when-i-grow-up/#comment-12200</link>
		<dc:creator>rastis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 01:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bad...  It will be on thursday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bad&#8230;  It will be on thursday.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Johnson</title>
		<link>http://sbcimpact.org/2009/12/01/i-want-to-be-like-lot-when-i-grow-up/#comment-12199</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I listened to Dr. Smith....  Was the show today or tomorrow?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I listened to Dr. Smith&#8230;.  Was the show today or tomorrow?</p>
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		<title>By: rastis</title>
		<link>http://sbcimpact.org/2009/12/01/i-want-to-be-like-lot-when-i-grow-up/#comment-12198</link>
		<dc:creator>rastis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it is worth,
I will be appearing on a KCBI radio station to talk about this article and the idea of taking the Gospel to dark places.

Here is the link if you want to listen live.  The show starts at 5pm CST.  I will be on the show at 530.

http://www.kcbi.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=listenonline</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it is worth,<br />
I will be appearing on a KCBI radio station to talk about this article and the idea of taking the Gospel to dark places.</p>
<p>Here is the link if you want to listen live.  The show starts at 5pm CST.  I will be on the show at 530.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kcbi.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=listenonline" rel="nofollow">http://www.kcbi.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=listenonline</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Fox</title>
		<link>http://sbcimpact.org/2009/12/01/i-want-to-be-like-lot-when-i-grow-up/#comment-12197</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of you will be surprised at the thoughts at this site many of you would dismiss as hopelessly liberal.

  It&#039;s about Tim Tebow&#039;s Village

http://foxofbama.blogspot.com/2009/12/tebows-bible-verses.html

Well, I have the link at the end of my blog above worth reading I might add, but if it makes you nauesous do look for the link at the end of it.

   Kinda surprised but again heartened both David Rogers and Rastis are fans of Movie The Village.
   In my blog on Tebow you will see where my I pay tribute to my Dad who was Incarnated into the Village of Gaffney and Bore Witness there and make reference to my current Village where some fundamentalists and their enablers need to get right with Jesus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of you will be surprised at the thoughts at this site many of you would dismiss as hopelessly liberal.</p>
<p>  It&#8217;s about Tim Tebow&#8217;s Village</p>
<p><a href="http://foxofbama.blogspot.com/2009/12/tebows-bible-verses.html" rel="nofollow">http://foxofbama.blogspot.com/2009/12/tebows-bible-verses.html</a></p>
<p>Well, I have the link at the end of my blog above worth reading I might add, but if it makes you nauesous do look for the link at the end of it.</p>
<p>   Kinda surprised but again heartened both David Rogers and Rastis are fans of Movie The Village.<br />
   In my blog on Tebow you will see where my I pay tribute to my Dad who was Incarnated into the Village of Gaffney and Bore Witness there and make reference to my current Village where some fundamentalists and their enablers need to get right with Jesus.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several things do become obvious from Peter’s letter……

Noah’s and Lot’s righteousness was not their own, which is the basis for each of their rescues.

Lot, being made righteous, was rescued by God from temptation in Sodom. Yet from the OT record, he succumbed to unholy living in drunkenness, leading to sexual acts outside of marriage just beyond his rescue.

Proverbs 14:34  Righteousness exalts a nation, But sin is a disgrace to any people.

Romans 8:10  If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.

Blessings,
Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several things do become obvious from Peter’s letter……</p>
<p>Noah’s and Lot’s righteousness was not their own, which is the basis for each of their rescues.</p>
<p>Lot, being made righteous, was rescued by God from temptation in Sodom. Yet from the OT record, he succumbed to unholy living in drunkenness, leading to sexual acts outside of marriage just beyond his rescue.</p>
<p>Proverbs 14:34  Righteousness exalts a nation, But sin is a disgrace to any people.</p>
<p>Romans 8:10  If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.</p>
<p>Blessings,<br />
Chris</p>
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		<title>By: rastis</title>
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		<dc:creator>rastis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,
Great summary.

I think number 3 resonates the most with me.  I grew up with a very black and white understanding of the world.  I would reduce things down to the point that they could either be dismissed or accepted.  The more I work cross culturally, the more I realize how complex the world truly is.  It gives me great respect for Paul who in one chapter approaches Greeks with their own literature and in another chapter takes a vow which requires he not even touch a grape.  That is true dexterity!

Another reason #3 resonates is because we are so prone to allow secondary issues vex us to the point that we become mere cultural transformers and not proclaimers of the gospel.  Talk about ministering to hispanics in our cities and the big issue that gets in the way is illegal immigration issues.  Talk about ministering to Muslims in our cities, and the war on terror and 9-11 become divisive issues.  Talk about ministering to the poor, and welfare, democrats, and personal responsibility become the main issues.  You can pretty much pick your group and a series of counterfeit debates take prominence over the priority of the kingdom of God and the gospel.  Not that some of those issues aren&#039;t important in other contexts, but they are rarely, if ever, the bridge to the Gospel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,<br />
Great summary.</p>
<p>I think number 3 resonates the most with me.  I grew up with a very black and white understanding of the world.  I would reduce things down to the point that they could either be dismissed or accepted.  The more I work cross culturally, the more I realize how complex the world truly is.  It gives me great respect for Paul who in one chapter approaches Greeks with their own literature and in another chapter takes a vow which requires he not even touch a grape.  That is true dexterity!</p>
<p>Another reason #3 resonates is because we are so prone to allow secondary issues vex us to the point that we become mere cultural transformers and not proclaimers of the gospel.  Talk about ministering to hispanics in our cities and the big issue that gets in the way is illegal immigration issues.  Talk about ministering to Muslims in our cities, and the war on terror and 9-11 become divisive issues.  Talk about ministering to the poor, and welfare, democrats, and personal responsibility become the main issues.  You can pretty much pick your group and a series of counterfeit debates take prominence over the priority of the kingdom of God and the gospel.  Not that some of those issues aren&#8217;t important in other contexts, but they are rarely, if ever, the bridge to the Gospel.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Harp</title>
		<link>http://sbcimpact.org/2009/12/01/i-want-to-be-like-lot-when-i-grow-up/#comment-12194</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Harp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sin is a monster of such freightful mein,
To be hated needs but to be seen.
Seen to oft, familiar with its face,
We soon endure, then pity, then embrace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sin is a monster of such freightful mein,<br />
To be hated needs but to be seen.<br />
Seen to oft, familiar with its face,<br />
We soon endure, then pity, then embrace.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I can tell, we all are in agreement on the following things:

1. We live in the midst of a lost (and often perverse) world that desperately needs the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

2. As Christians, we are called to be in the world, but not of the world.

3. As a result, a lot of times, in the midst trying to bring the gospel to lost humanity, we are confronted on all sides by a lot of sin and perversity, and vexed, just as Lot was, while he lived in Sodom.

4. The sins of Sodom included, but were not necessarily limited to:
being arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; not helping the poor and needy; being haughty and doing detestable things before God. Among the detestable things they did before God are various acts of sexual perversion, including, especially, homosexuality.

5. Any and all of these sins are worthy of God&#039;s punishment.

6. Any and all of these sins are also able to be covered by blood of Jesus.

7. In the midst of the situations in which we live as Christians (whether of our own choosing, the specific call of God, or a combination of the two), we should seek to be redemptive, and live lives that might be used of God to call lost souls around us to repentance, and a life of faith in God.

8. In the midst of unfortunate circumstances in our lives, and even situations caused by our own lack of wisdom, impetuosity, and selfish motives, God is able to overrule, and out of His mercy, often does, both for our own benefit, as well as in order to carry out His eternal plan to call out a people for Himself and redeem lost humanity.

Wouldn&#039;t it be great if we could just concentrate on these things, and avoid nit-picking about some of the other details we have been discussing? Not that there are not worthy points to be discussed, nor that we should never disagree nor debate issues on which we have convictions, but, it seems like we can, as fellow servants of the same Lord, accomplish more for the advance of His kingdom by focusing more on these things than the others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I can tell, we all are in agreement on the following things:</p>
<p>1. We live in the midst of a lost (and often perverse) world that desperately needs the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>2. As Christians, we are called to be in the world, but not of the world.</p>
<p>3. As a result, a lot of times, in the midst trying to bring the gospel to lost humanity, we are confronted on all sides by a lot of sin and perversity, and vexed, just as Lot was, while he lived in Sodom.</p>
<p>4. The sins of Sodom included, but were not necessarily limited to:<br />
being arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; not helping the poor and needy; being haughty and doing detestable things before God. Among the detestable things they did before God are various acts of sexual perversion, including, especially, homosexuality.</p>
<p>5. Any and all of these sins are worthy of God&#8217;s punishment.</p>
<p>6. Any and all of these sins are also able to be covered by blood of Jesus.</p>
<p>7. In the midst of the situations in which we live as Christians (whether of our own choosing, the specific call of God, or a combination of the two), we should seek to be redemptive, and live lives that might be used of God to call lost souls around us to repentance, and a life of faith in God.</p>
<p>8. In the midst of unfortunate circumstances in our lives, and even situations caused by our own lack of wisdom, impetuosity, and selfish motives, God is able to overrule, and out of His mercy, often does, both for our own benefit, as well as in order to carry out His eternal plan to call out a people for Himself and redeem lost humanity.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be great if we could just concentrate on these things, and avoid nit-picking about some of the other details we have been discussing? Not that there are not worthy points to be discussed, nor that we should never disagree nor debate issues on which we have convictions, but, it seems like we can, as fellow servants of the same Lord, accomplish more for the advance of His kingdom by focusing more on these things than the others.</p>
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		<title>By: rastis</title>
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		<dc:creator>rastis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CB,
no one is justifying homosexuality here...

Bill,
thanks, I think I can hear the pounding on the door right now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CB,<br />
no one is justifying homosexuality here&#8230;</p>
<p>Bill,<br />
thanks, I think I can hear the pounding on the door right now!</p>
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