Comments on: Baptist Identity? Assembly of God Identity? Denominational Issues in an Ecumenical World

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By: peter

peter — Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:13:32 +0000

Oops. I haven’t the faintest idea how I ended on this post but ignore!
With that, I am…
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By: peter

peter — Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:10:05 +0000

Rastis,

Like I said–disagree or dismiss. Your have my express permission to do either or both to your heart’s content. For me, time’s much too lovely today to waste: I get to see my two precious granddaughters!

Hope you have a great day as well.

With that, I am…
Peter

By: Dave Miller

Dave Miller — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:46:47 +0000

Gene, I asked for comments that were productive, and asked you and others to refrain from the kind of character assassination and unkindness your last comment showed. I will discuss issues, if you would like to raise them. But if all you want to do is express anger and disdain, I would suggest you write on your own blog.

By: Ron West

Ron West — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 04:53:26 +0000

Dave laid down the gauntlet and asked what I would do to improve the SBC. There is no one solution to our situation and no easy answer. It cannot be solved by appointing a committee. It will take a complete change of thinking or if you will a new paradigm.

We need to do something to restore unity and trust in our convention. Most of you are too young to remember but we once had that. We need to involve everyone in the work of our convention. We have been like a one legged man with one hand tied behind his back. We cannot reach all the people we should with the gospel unless we make use of all our resources and people. I am not talking about using liberals or those not in agreement with the beliefs or purposes of our convention. I am talking about using the most qualified who are committed to the authority of scripture and exhibit the fruits of the spirit in their personal and public life.

We are a convention of medium and small churches. We need to get pastors and laypersons from those churches more involved in the leadership of our convention. On the national level we are too mega church oriented. I am not against mega churches but we need more medium and small church members on our trustee boards, speaking at our pastors conferences and participating in the leadership. This of course includes the younger pastors and laypersons. We need to think more about how to do this.

One thing I would like to change is to give grass roots Southern Baptist an opportunity to be more involved in the decision making. Our state conventions are much closer to the membership than the national SBC. Far more people attend state conventions than the national convention. The number of trustees appointed are based on the membership of the state convention. Why not let the state conventions select the two members that represent them on the committee on nominations. Do away with the committee on committees. Why should SBC presidents like Charles Stanley, Ed Young and others who have almost zero participation in our associations or state conventions and very little history of support for our mission boards, decide who will represent my state on trustee boards. We are much better qualified to select people from our state than they are.

These are a few thoughts off the top of my head. Maybe we can continue this on another post and get more involved the discussion.

By: Ron West

Ron West — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:34:33 +0000

Sorry Volfan. I meant 219. I didn’t proof read enough. You said,
“If it were not for the CR, I am absolutely convinced that not only would things like liberation theology, egalitarianism, homosexuality and abortion as ok, and evolution be taught in our colleges and seminaries; but also, the very nature of God would be questioned on many points. There would be a denial of the miracles of the Bible, and the accuracy of the Bible would be questioned, and there would probably be a serious discussion about universalism…with the SBC leaning towards it.”
I don’t know what type of churches you belonged to or the type of pastors and leaders you had in your state, but that is so far from any possibility in the SBC I was part of that I wonder if you were not really a Unitarian or Episcopalian at one time and that is what you keep referring to.

By: volfan007

volfan007 — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:25:11 +0000

Boy, I’m so glad that the CR took place. I’m so glad that the SBC is on a track back to sound theology. I’m so glad that we’re not having debates over the inerrancy of Scripture in the SBC anymore, and we’re not deciding on things like whether homosexuality is ok or not; like whether the death of Jesus resulted in everyone being saved or not; like whether we should leave songs about the blood of Jesus in the hymnbooks and praise choruses; like whether missions should just be social ministries or evangelistic.

I’m also glad that in the SBC we are now emphasizing sound doctrine, Church planting, winning souls, and glorifying God. Hallelujah!

God has been very good to the SBC, and He has used us for His work; and He is continuing to work in and thru the SBC today. Thank You, Lord; help us to remain faithful to You and to Your Word.

David

By: Gene Scarborough

Gene Scarborough — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:04:10 +0000

I am fascinated by the war talk relative to events since 1979. This is why so many churches are taking Baptist out of their name and giving–plus membership numbers are spiraling downward.

I posted an updated and specific version of Matthew 23 and you don’t see it started with Jesus’ own words to the Pharisees? I was immediately accused of being harsh and mean.

This simply tells me some in the blog are more interested in politics and CR that when we used to be interested mostly in missions with minor squabbles over theology.

Theology has always been a source of debate, yet Southern Baptists were broad minded enough and believed in freedom enough to overlook their differences. The very word “theology” means “God knowledge.”

To me God knowledge starts with what Jesus said about “love the lord God with all your heart AND your neighbor as yourself. In the eyes of the public we are known for our fistfights and exclusion with narrow views of female ordaination / homophobia / inerrancy / abortion / etc. It seems we never get tired of fighting or name calling.

George Bush was welcomed to address the annual meeting via satellite, but any Democratic President has been shuned. We are the core of the “religious right” Republicans are exclusively wooing and using to get their man elected. What happened to our refusal to mix the church with the state?

The Burleson blog recently showed clearly that now some of our “inerrant” professors are admitting there are inconsistencies and human errors in the transmission of the text. How have we managed to start telling the truth in some areas and it is the same truth which was being taught at SEBTS in 1967-70 when I was a student there?

By: Dave Miller

Dave Miller — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 03:38:43 +0000

And now, that’s it. I am invoking “author’s privilege.” I am tired of the incessant back and forth about the CR. I believe it was good. some of you don’t.

But lets not waste anymore time on this.

By: Dave Miller

Dave Miller — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 03:23:47 +0000

Tom, look at the link you just made. It shows exactly what I said. My (clear) point was that as I came into SBC ministry in a time of conflict, I believe another conflict over genders roles will dominate the latter years of my ministry.