After saying all of that…I truly hope that the GCR will result in us doing more for missions…to win more lost souls for Christ… to lead to more Churches being started for the glory of God…to advance the Kingdom of God even more…to see more people go to Heaven than what would have gone! That’s really what the Great Commission, and any resurgence in the Great Commission is/should be all about…to get more people saved.

David

You said the following to Stehen Fox–”I may split hairs – but I am not a broken record.

I don’t believe that Christianity or being a Christ follower has any relation to Gaelic paganism and their beliefs about water – or that listening to the “wisdom” of a former Episcopalian priest (whose philosophy has more in tune with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi than with Jesus Christ and his disciples) has any validity with anyone here – certainly not with Adrian Rogers, and especially I believe David (certainly not speaking for you David).

There was a reason why the CR occurred man. I think you epitomize the reasons why. ”

You also said–”This is my final warning. Keep to the subject area and avoid personal attacks.”

Did you not personally attack Stephen Fox by saying to him–”There was a reason why the CR occurred man. I think you epitomize the reasons why. ”

I don’t think you are following your own advice to others.

Your comment 27 is interesting indeed.
Let’s try it this way.
What would be wrong in having David have dialogue with the likes of Wade Burleson, Ginny Brant, Ben Cole, a representative of Chic Fil A ( I understand Mr. Cathy as a trustee of Mercer supported Kirby Godsey at Mercer and is now supportive of Underwood); have these folks and others friendly to Memphis Declaration discuss the SBC and where it is now.
What is to fear in that amount of transparency.
Anne Graham Lotz preached in the same pulpit as Barbara Brown Taylor; and Anne Graham Lotz preached in the same pulpit this past February at Samford as Johnny Hunt.
What’s to fear in discussing these matters; or are you ready to kick Billy Graham’s daughter cause of the above pulpit sharing and her affinity for BWA out of the SBC as well.
I think David Rogers is at a different place than you on that; surely he is at a different place than Ronnie Floyd who chairs this GCR.
That is my point.

If you saw the movie No Country for Old Men, or are in fellowship with church members who saw and appreciated it, you are already on the slippery slope of appreciating Luc Sante’s ruminations on Billy Sunday and the sawdust trail of the last Century’s turn and his musings on baptism.

Thanks, but no. You are a funny guy.

I will not further take away from this post. If you would like to discuss this topic privately, my email is above.

Rob

You said–”Some want to re-fight the battles of 30 years ago, or throw a few bombs and snide remarks displaying their bitterness and resentment of wars long lost and over. No way. No how. Not here. Not now.”

I really have not seen any bitterness or resentment in this blog topic.

I’m still confused by your above statement. Could you be just a little bit clearer in what you are trying to say? My thanks in advance.

I have found your comments insightful most times. You were on topic. I was not speaking to you – though you and I would probably agree with the idea that we have differing points of view about things. We have discussed those things before in an amicable way. Rest at ease brother.

As to your other comments, I will choose to defer to Alan and his post. I have taken up enough time in chasing rabbits. Perhaps in a future post – or you can email me at rob@sbcimpact.net.

Rob

I guess my issue with a task force that does not represent the current normal size SBC church is obvious. “It does not represent the normal size SBC church”,….. To me, it really does not have much to do with names and fame. What would be too wrong with a task force of 300 instead of 18? Eighteen is not what I call a “force” at all. Three to Four hundred might begin to get a little more depth of conversation and it would bring about focus on the subject.. “Great Commission” and less about the people of the task force.

Brother Rob, maybe in your letter…ask Johnny to expand the force to 300 so some type of depth can be had on the subject.

Blessings,
Chris

Alan, I do not think I suggested you were a mouth piece for the establishment. I know I do not believe that. I am trying to understand your excitement for the task force and why you think this is the start of new day and new leaders are emerging. As I look at the task force, every person I know, Ronnie Floyd, Jim Richards, Al Mohler, Danny Akin, David Dockery, Ted Traylor and Simon Tsoi, have been some of the most hard line supporters of the Conservative Resurgence and its political tactics since the 1980s. I believe they will control the committee and its outcome. You said that you, “find that those who were hurt by the CR never stop looking for targets to unleash their anger, and that is really a shame.” I did not think I was unleashing anger as much as pointing out situations I wish David’s suggestions could have been followed. I do not think there was anything there I should be shamed for. Actually, I think a better case could be that the CR never stops looking for targets to unleash their anger. You might ask the BWA, WMU Wade Burleson, the BGCT and this Driscoll fellow and even Ed Stetzer. I am sure Ronnie Floyd is a good man. That does not mean that he is the best person to lead this task force. I wish Ed Stetzer and some others with innovative ideas were on the task force. I have heard good things about JD Grear but don’t know much about him. I have never heard of some of the others.

Rob, I take it you are an administrator of this website. I am thankful you are providing a resource for local churches and missionaries by sharing life and ministry experiences and finding solutions to everyday problems that we encounter on our mission fields, thus making an impact by lifting up Christ to the nations. I would love to discuss missionary life and ministry experiences. For instance you may or may not be aware the IMB is going through a major reorganization at the present time. I would enjoy hearing what those of you in the US are hearing about it and your feelings. I would also like to hear how some with IMB experience such as David Rogers, feel about it. Of course that would be a subject for another post. Unfortunately too often all we hear in Baptist circles and on the blogs and from our trustees centers around issues such as private prayer languages, baptism administrators, claims of doctrinal problems on the mission field and so on.

Rob, I am an Arkansas Baptist, Ouachita and Southwestern graduate and have spent 30 years with the IMB. I love the SBC and thankful for its impact on my life. Tell me a little about your background in the SBC and mission experience. I could not find anything on this site. I am trying to understand the comment about “throw a few bombs and snide remarks displaying their bitterness and resentment” if that was directed at me. I am constantly hearing remarks about the SBC I knew as being sliding into heresy and liberal theology and worse. I didn’t experience that and point that out from time to time. Is that being snide?

Mike Raspberry, I don’t understand your remarks at all. What assessment did I make that other missionaries do not agree with? I did say that I agreed with David Rogers’ statement. I don’t know any missionaries that would disagree with that. The only choice I know that the WMU has made is to support our missionaries and the Great Commission. I know Kaye Miller and think she could add a lot to the task force. I also know Randell Everett and served with John Upton on the mission field and fail to see how having them on the task force would be spitting in anyone’s face. I also know Keith Parks and have a lot of respect for him but I don’t see what that has to do with this discussion. I think Russell Dilday always showed his true colors and they were fine. I think it was Owen Collins and the trustees that fired him who showed their true colors but what has that to do with this discussion. Is this an example of staying on target with the post? I would be happy to keep the discussion about the GCR.
I thank you for your service in Vietnam. We are probably about the same age. I did not serve in combat but I served on active duty and in the Guard and Reserve so I understand your comments about complaining about officers and being thankful for them. I support those in authority over me even though I do complain from time to time. You can ask those at the board who know me. I do not see any place in my post where I complained about people in authority over me. As a theological conservative and an inerrantist, I am thankful for those who help others back to the Book who have drifted away. I am thankful that in Arkansas and at Southwestern and at the IMB we did not drift away and did not need anyone to bring us back. We were faithful to the Book.
Ron West