A Parable
Posted by From the Middle East in Bible & Theology
A couple of weeks ago, I posted a version of my testimony that caused quite a stir in our quiet little blogworld. Many of the questions surrounding this version of my testimony centered around the question of God as revealed in the Holy Scriptures and how He relates to “Allah” as revealed in the Generous Qur’an. Is He the same? Is He different? I have attempted to answer this question in the past in a post entitled God, Allah and Good News for Muslims. In an effort to further this dialogue, I submit to you the following parable:
One fine morning Mr. Evangelist went out with the intent of sowing seed. Along the way, he met a kind gentleman by the name of Mr. Deist. Hoping for a bit of fertile soil, Evangelist asked Deist about his religious beliefs.
Deist: “Oh, I adhere to the strictest moral values and believe that God has clearly created all things. This, after all, is deducible through nature and reason.”
Evangelist: “Dear Deist, I must ask you what you understand about the nature of God Himself. Would you say that He is triune in nature and incarnate in the person of Jesus of Nazareth?”
Deist: “Why, that is quite a question. And one, I fear, we will disagree upon. I do not perceive that I can know God at all. It seems to me that He created the heavens and the Earth and quickly withdrew. It would be nice if that were not the case, for I have often longed to know my Creator, but it appears we are left to depend upon nature and reason. No offense intended, dear friend.”
Evangelist: “None taken, kind sir, but I fear that I might offend you with what I have to say though it is only my intent to help you understand God and know him.”
Deist: “Please go on for I am curious as to your understanding of God. Maybe you can enlighten me!”
Evangelist: “Well, we must first rid ourselves of the notion that we are at all referring to the same being. This god you speak of is simply a figment of your imagination. Something you have created for yourself…”
Deist: “Do you not believe in the Creator?”
Evangelist: “I most certainly do, but you do not. You believe in something very unlike the Creator of the Bible. You see, the true God has very clearly made Himself known to man…”
Deist: “Apologies for the interruption, dear friend, but I do, in fact believe that the Creator is evident from His creation.”
Evangelist: “But this is not enough, not by a long shot! You must believe also that He is triune in nature and incarnate in Jesus. That He does, in fact, interact with humanity and even died on the cross for our sins to be raised three days later. Do you believe these things?”
Deist: “I am afraid I do not. I suppose this is the first time I have considered such claims about God.”
Evangelist: “Then you sir are worshipping a false god and are in great need of repentance. Won’t you consider it?”
Deist: “I’m afraid I am misunderstanding you here. What do you mean by false god?”
Evangelist: “A god who is not real.”
Deist: “But I thought you believe in God, the Creator.”
Evangelist: “I do! But not the false one you worship, the true One. The One who created the heavens and the Earth and came to Earth to die on the cross so we can be near to Him.”
Deist: “This all sounds delightful. If only it had to do with the Creator I have so clearly seen in the way things are made and the way in which the world is ordered. I have longed to understand the Creator and am still convinced that He is out there. If only I did not have to abandon that which I have clearly seen for this other God you speak of!”
Evangelist (weeping): “You must repent from this false god and believe my dear friend.”
After walking a bit further, Mr. Evangelist happened upon Mr. Jew. God moved in Evangelist’s spirit and he had great compassion for Mr. Jew.
Evangelist: “If you do not mind me asking, dear Mr. Jew, I was wondering what your understanding of God is?”
Jew: “Oh, my understanding of YHWH is very similar to the Christian understanding in that we believe He is Lord of all and obedience to Him is of utmost importance. He did, after all, create us and even go so far as to speak to our father Abraham and reveal Himself to us in the Law and Prophets! Oh, how I long for the day the Messiah is sent and things are made right!”
Evangelist: “The day the Messiah is sent?”
Jew: “Yes, this is our only hope!”
Evangelist: “You mean you do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah and the second person of the Trinity?”
Jew: “The Trinity is not something we have believed in. I am curious as to why you say Jesus was the Messiah. This is not something I have considered.”
Evangelist: “Well, we must back up. For you are worshipping a false god and we must first address this idolatry.”
Jew: “Are you not a Christian? Do we not both worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?”
Evangelist: “I am a Christian, but you are worshipping a false god. Before you will ever understand the Messiah, you must put away this false god you have created in your own mind and believe in the God eternally revealed in three persons.”
Jew: “You believe in a different god than I do?”
Evangelist: “I most certainly do. The true One! The One who created the heavens and the Earth and came to Earth to die on the cross so we can be near to Him. Won’t you believe?”
Jew: “Oh no, I must only believe in YHWH as revealed in the Torah. If only He would send the Messiah!”
Evangelist (weeping): “You must repent from this false god and believe my dear friend.”
After continuing on his way and asking God for yet another divine encounter, Mr. Evangelist stumbled across Mr. Muslim and was compelled to inquire as to his beliefs of God.
Muslim: “Oh, I most certainly believe in the God. In fact, I believe in the God, who we call Allah in Arabic, and in His Law and in the prophets and in angels and that Allah will judge the living and the dead on the Last Day. These things are very important to me.”
Evangelist: “But I thought Allah was not the same as God?”
Muslim: “Oh, Allah is simply the Arabic word for God. If you prefer to use the term God, we most certainly may. The important thing is that we both affirm He is the Creator of the Heavens and Earth, to Him alone is worship due and that He has established His law upon the Earth and that we must obey, or submit to, Him fully in all things for this is what the prophets Abraham, Isaac, John the Baptist, Noah and even Muhammad have taught us.”
Evangelist: “So you do believe in the God of the Bible who is triune in nature and sent Jesus to fulfill the Law because we are unable to and will ultimately bring us near to God and reconcile us to Him bringing us into His Kingdom?”
Muslim: “I do not understand this triune nature you speak of. Is that what is referred to in the Generous Qur’an as Father – God, Mother – Mary and Son – Jesus? We do not believe this. We believe in One Creator who is self-existent and eternal. But what is really interesting about your words is that we can be near to God and a part of His Kingdom. I have read of this nearness to Him in the Generous Qur’an, but feel in my heart as if this can never happen for me. What do you mean by God’s Kingdom? What is this reconciliation you speak of? Please explain these things to me.”
Evangelist: “Oh, before you can understand how to draw near to God or anything of God’s Kingdom, you must understand that you, my dear friend, are thinking of the wrong god. If your Qur’an, as you say, teaches of a god who is not triune in nature – meaning the Father, the Son and the Spirit – you must repent and believe in the True God of the Bible.”
Muslim: “But there is only one God.”
Evangelist: “Correct. And He is not the one you are worshipping and trying to be close to. I’m afraid you cannot come near to that which does not exist.”
Muslim: “You mean that the God of Abraham and Isaac and Jonah is not the true God!?!”
Evangelist: “No, what I mean is that your god of Abraham and Isaac and Muhammad is a false god. My God of Abraham and Isaac and Jesus is the true God.”
Muslim: “You think Abraham had two gods!?!”
Evangelist: “No, he believed in the one true God.”
Muslim: “Right, the One Creator who speaks to us through the prophets and gives His will for us through the Law.”
Evangelist: “Yes, but He is One in essence and three in persons.”
Muslim: “You believe in three gods of Abraham!?!”
Evangelist: “Until you can understand this, you will not draw near to the true God. The One who created the heavens and the Earth and came to Earth to die on the cross so we can be near to Him.”
Muslim: “I wish I could be near to my Creator.”
Evangelist (weeping): “You must repent from this false god and believe my dear friend.”
Upon wishing Mr. Muslim well, Mr. Evangelist was exhausted but felt God gave him the boldness he needed to be both loving and truthful in his encounters that day. Certainly three seeds had been planted and Paul’s words that the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing was confirmed. So, he retired to his home for a bit of Bible study.
Recently he had been struggling with the sin of lust and felt quite a bit of failure and, as it happened, his Bible reading plan had him in Paul’s letter to the Ephesians that evening. As he read the words of the Apostle Paul, he noticed the theme of God’s power in Ephesians. As he began to meditate upon the words, conviction began to fill his heart. Particularly convicting were ends of Chapters 1 & 3. So much so that he dropped to his knees and began praying, “Father I have sinned against you and you alone! I have failed to recognize your all-sufficient power. I have been struggling in my own power because I have not truly believed that you are all-powerful. I ask you to forgive me of this and I commit to depending upon your power for the mortification of my flesh and its sinful desires.”
And, as he wept, only one thing distressed him more than his failure to recognize God’s all-powerful nature. Namely, that he would now have to forget all he knew of this false god who was not all-powerful and start over from the beginning, with the One true God who is all-powerful. “If only I had gotten it right from the beginning,” he wept, “then I would not have wasted those years learning of this false god.”



FTME,
Thank you! This parable shows how silly it is, in the context of beginning to share the gospel with someone, to insist that he or she must erase any prior notion of a divine being and accept our definition before proceeding. Great follow up to the discussion following the post of your testimony!
My or your understanding of God is not what makes Him God.
“He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”
Katie
The Gospel is the power of God for salvation … not the falseness of someone else’s beliefs. If we really believe that, we ought also to believe that telling our story is the answer, not refuting someone else’s.
Thank you for originally posting your testimony and, now, this parable. This is really something we need to think through. I think some of our cultural biases really get in the way on this question. I hope this will get people thinking and derail some of the controversy on this matter.
FTME: Very nice. I fear however that not all will agree. To them there is no distinction between falsely worshiping God and worshiping a false god.
Brother FTME,
Your parables reminded me of a couple of situations in Daniel,…
Daniel 4:9 ‘O Belteshazzar, chief of the magicians, since I know that a spirit of the holy gods is in you and no mystery baffles you, tell me the visions of my dream which I have seen, along with its interpretation………
Daniel 4:34 “But at the end of that period, I, Nebuchadnezzar, raised my eyes toward heaven and my reason returned to me, and I blessed the Most High and praised and honored Him who lives forever; For His dominion is an everlasting dominion, And His kingdom endures from generation to generation.
Daniel 4:37 “Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise, exalt and honor the King of heaven, for all His works are true and His ways just, and He is able to humble those who walk in pride.”
Thanks for the post,
Blessings,
Chris
FTME,
Forgive my ignorance, but I completely do not understand the last paragraph of these quite fictional encounters. You said,”And, as he wept, only one thing distressed him more than his failure to recognize God’s all-powerful nature. Namely, that he would now have to forget all he knew of this false god who was not all-powerful and start over from the beginning, with the One true God who is all-powerful. “If only I had gotten it right from the beginning,” he wept, “then I would not have wasted those years learning of this false god.” What? What exactly are you saying about the “Evangelist” right here. I dont get it. Why would he think that he had been worshipping a false god? just because he’d been struggling with the desires of his flesh? This takes a huge leap, it seems to me.
Also, at least the Diest, and the Jew, and the Muslim had heard the true Gospel that day, and we’d pray that the Holy Spirit would use that to call out to thier hearts…to convince them of the truth. In the least, it would’ve made them think long and hard about what they’d heard that day.
I cant say the same for the camel method.
David
David:
You bring up a good question. It seems like the parable is conflating “sin” with “not knowing God”.
If so, then the parable is trivializing the situation of not knowing God.
Roger
It seems to me an example of a parallel conversation in the Bible occurred here:
John 4:19-24
“Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet. Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.”
Jesus declared, “Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”
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I think it is informative that Jesus, in some respects, corrected this woman’s understanding of God, but did not tell her that she and her people were not worshiping God at all.
Might we categorize “false gods” in two ways?
First, there are completely false deities that have nothing in common with the God of the Bible – the Hindu deities, the animistic deities worshipped all over the world, etc. Then, there are faiths which worship the Creator God in inadequate, non-saving ways. Judaism is an obvious example of that. They worship the same God we do, but they do not access him through Christ, so there is no salvation to be found in that religion. Deism may well be such a religion. Mormonism, JW, and other “cults” also would fall in this category. They worship the one true Creator God, but do not understand his triune nature or the work of Christ.
If I am right, then the only question is which category that the Muslim’s Allah fits. It seems to me that FTME operates from the perspective that Muslims worship our God in an non-saving way. His critics seem to want to identify Allah as a completely false god like those of the Hindus or other pagan faiths.
Since Islam has historic roots in the Old Testament story, I would tend to classify Islam as worshiping our God in a false, non-saving way.
This is not a discussion as to whether Jesus is the only way to God. It is just a discussion on how best to present Christ to Muslims and into which category Islam falls.
Make sense, FTME?
Sister Katie,
Amen! Thank you for the encouragement. BTW… I think we need more sisters commenting here!
Brother Bob,
Amen!
Brothers Brent & Bill,
Thank you for the encouragement.
Brother Chris,
Great observation!
Peace to you sister and brothers,
From the Middle East
Brother David (volfan),
I’m not sure I’ll be doing a ton of explaining this parable… it is, after all, a parable ;^) But here are a few notes:
1. Mr. Evangelist very clearly was not simply struggling with desires of the flesh. Rather, he admitted an unbelief in the “all powerfulness” of God. This is part of the nature of God and, to be consistent in his theology, since he did not believe this about the nature of God previously, he was forced to admit he had been worshipping a god of his own creation… thus, he was forced to start all over again.
2. I’m not really a big fan of the “Camel Method” so that will not fly here, though it never claims to be “the true Gospel,” rather it claims to be a tool for pre-evangelism. But, enough of this camel-talk, let’s stay focused on the topic at hand!
Peace to you brother,
From the Middle East
Brother David R.,
A most excellent parallel from the Holy Scriptures!
Peace to you brother,
From the Middle East
Brother Dave M.,
Yep. That is exactly what I argue for in God, Allah and Good News for Muslims!
The only disagreement I would have is that Mormons seem to be polytheistic and thus in the same category as Hindus. Other than that, it seems you have given a great summary. Thanks!
Peace to you brother,
From the Middle East
FTME: The irony is that Mr. Evangelist’s methods in your parable is exactly how some will want you to act. Turn or burn evangelism.
Brother FTME,
Are you saying there is no one true God?
Blessings,
Tim
Brother Bill,
I’m surprised that no one has mentioned the other irony in this parable. Namely, that all three folks had real questions that were great bridges to the person and work of Jesus… yet Mr. Evangelist totally missed them due to the question he wanted to answer.
Peace to you brother,
From the Middle East
Brother Tim,
Nope. Quite the opposite… I’m saying there is one God.
Peace to you brother,
From the Middle East
FTME,
Do you believe in the Trinity?
David
Brother Daivd (volfan),
Yep. Do you believe that Jesus is the only Way to God?
Peace to you brother,
From the Middle East
FTME,
Yes, I believe that Jesus is the only way to God. What does that have to do with what I asked about the Trinity? Just curious.
David
Brother David (volfan),
Nothing.
But, I am wondering… what did your question have to do with this post?
Peace to you brother,
From the Middle East
FTME,
I was just wondering, since the Muslims do not accept the Trinity, if you did. If you believed that the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit were equal, and the three made up the one, true God? That’s all. I also thought I remembered someone saying in another comment thread…where you were talking to Bart Barber a lot….that you didnt believe in the Trinity. So, after your statement to Tim Rogers, I was just wondering.
David
Brother David (volfan),
Interesting how rumors get going. Thanks for asking instead of assuming! If you would like to read that conversation with Brother Bart, in context, you can find it here.
Peace to you brother,
From the Middle East
Why do some of these comments sound like a Baptist Inquisition?
Les,
Are these things not important to you? Is there anything wrong with being interested in where FTME stands on critical issues?
David
Les:
You said to David–”Why do some of these comments sound like a Baptist Inquisition?”
I think the answer is because it is.
Tom Parker
Bro. David,
Sorry to be so gruff, but from my perspective, you’re being fastidious.
fastidious (adj.) – excessively particular, critical, or demanding; hard to please
I fail to see how this post could cause you to question FTME’s theology on the Trinity. (Nor the issue of the “one true God” as questioned by Bro. Tim)
Clay
These questions make sense when you consider that FTME was accused of being a false teacher spreading a false gospel over on SBC Today.
Clay,
Naw, I’m not a fast idiot. I’ve never been accused of being fast in my whole life.
David
Clay:
You said to David–”Bro. David,
Sorry to be so gruff, but from my perspective, you’re being fastidious.
fastidious (adj.) – excessively particular, critical, or demanding; hard to please
I fail to see how this post could cause you to question FTME’s theology on the Trinity. (Nor the issue of the “one true God” as questioned by Bro. Tim)”
David’s response to you–”Clay,
Naw, I’m not a fast idiot. I’ve never been accused of being fast in my whole life.”
David
Clay:
David and Tim seemingly have made it their job to question FTME and
when you question David about it he becomes a comodian–not a typing
error–He plays funnyman when it is very serious to attack a person’s
theology.
Sadly, my guess is that FTME is a marked man for David Worley and Tim Rogers.
Sadly Tim Rogers loves to play the game gotcha when ever he gets a chance. He has tried to pull it on FTME at least twice in FTME’s posts. He accused me of not being a Christian on a thread at SBC Tomorrow (Peter’s place), when I called him on it no apology was offered. I have lost all respect for Tim. volfie goes along for the ride with which ever of the BI boys are involved in a comment stream. I respect, and enjoy Volfie – but wish he would abstain from following Rogers when he plays his little games
Jim