Surviving the Pastor Search Process
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Today’s post was contributed to sbc IMPACT! by “Taran.” He is a teacher in the Deep South who is also an ordained minister. Because of his position at a state educational institution, he chooses to maintain an anonymous blog and web presence. He has served as pastor and interim pastor of several Southern Baptist churches. Last year, his home church (Lakeview Baptist) conducted a search for a new pastor and foolishly (so he says…) selected Taran to chair the Pastor Search Committee (PSC). He live-blogged that search (changing names to protect anonymity) on his blog Coffespoons. In this post he shares some of his reflections on the search process.
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The search process is important for the church of course, but also for the individual ministers affected by the search process. As we began the process I had conversations with numerous pastors who had been burned in the process of a pastoral search. In some cases their confidentiality had been compromised and their current place of ministry discovered that they were involved in a search. In other instances, a search committee had not disclosed some large issue that might have affected the minister’s decision about whether or not to accept the church’s call. So we tried our best to respect and balance both the ministries of Lakeview and the ministries of the various candidates we met along the way. With that in mind, here are some suggestions that came out of our experience.
1. Pray. It should go without saying, of course, but I include this obvious task in order to reinforce its importance. Early on in this process, we recognized that the task was far too big for us to handle. The responsibility was too great and our resources and wisdom were insufficient for the task. As one of our committee members commented early on, “We cain’t afford to screw this up!” Prayer served to lubricate the entire process.
2. Have a clearly articulated and well publicized process for electing the search committee. Ideally this should be spelled out in the by-laws of the church. Make sure that the entire congregation feels a part of the process. It is imperative that all elements of the church have an opportunity to be involved in the selection process. A transparent process will give the PSC credibility with the congregation.
3. Once a committee is decided, the PSC must decide how they will conduct the process of the search. Establishing the search process of the PSC is just as important as the process itself. As a committee, we made several decisions about how we would conduct our week-to-week business. E.g. what would be the role of the alternates? Would we take a split recommendation to the church? Would we allow conversations about the process outside the committee meetings? By ironing these wrinkles out ahead of time, we established ground rules that helped us avoid problems later in the search process.
4. Interact truthfully with all candidates. A pastoral friend told me from the beginning of the process “All search committees lie.” Work hard to disprove him. For example, when dialoguing with potential candidates, trust the interview process. Interviews are for the purpose of determining similarity of spirit between the candidates giftedness and God’s vision for the church. Be honest with the candidate and don’t keep silent about the church. Telling a candidate simply what they want to hear will bring a multitude of heartbreak to both the church and the candidate.
5. Show no favoritism to any of the candidates. Aunt Polly is going to recommend a preacher she heard once. You love Aunt Polly, so you may feel predisposed towards her candidate. Reject that impulse. Evaluate all candidates equally. Practically, this means ask the same questions of each of the candidates, conduct the same number of reference checks on each of them, etc.
6. Maintain absolute secrecy in all personnel discussions. The names on the resumes are more than names of course, they represent years of ministry. You put ministries at risk when work leaks out about the direction of the PSC. In addition, you do not want your church to hang on every rumor that surfaces from the committee. Again, be transparent in process, but not in personnel.
7. One rule that really helped us as a committee our decision to avoid caucusing outside the committee meetings. By caucusing I mean we decided not to discuss candidates with each other outside our meetings. This rule helped us a great deal to share our thoughts honestly without knowing how the other members of the committee felt about a particular candidate. It also helped us to avoided lobbying each other for preferred candidates.
8. Communicate with the church constantly. Give them the opportunity for input. Do a strength and weakness analysis and ask the church to provide feedback. We decided to give a formal report to the church body at least once a month. Even if all you are saying is “We continue to receive resumes and pray over them” it is still reassuring to the church that you are at work.
9. Overcommunicate with the staff. Even though the committee gives ongoing reports to the church, keep the staff involved with constant updates. One of the greatest mistakes we made as a committee at Lakeview was to keep the staff out of the loop. It is challenging for the entire church body to be without a pastor. But the search process is understandably even more disturbing for the staff. Their livelihood, ministries, and even jobs will be very much affected by the arrival of the new minister.
10. Check “one off” references. By this I mean, check each of the references, but ask them “Do you know anyone else who can evaluate this individual as a candidate for the pastorate?” It is helpful to get a reference that does not come directly from the candidate.
11. Evaluate individual candidates one at a time. This is a search for a minister, not a horse race. When you reach an appropriate point (for us it was the second interview) evaluate each candidate individually. Talking to multiple candidates serves no purpose. Practically it can lead to splits among the committee and (if #6 is not followed above) even among the church.
12. The Internet is a great tool. Use it relentlessly to gather information. We scoured church websites and listened to sermons online. It saved us travel and oftentimes looking around a church’s website often told us much about the leadership of the church. It was also a good indicator of various candidates’ involvement in denominational politics and activity in other organizations. Use it!
13. On a related note, Google, Google, Google!! We found out a great deal through this marvelous site. In one instance, we discovered that a candidate had made a very public statement at his current church that would’ve been very much at odds with the culture of our church. The statement was not revealed to us by the candidate or by his references.
14. Expect to bond as a committee throughout the process. The times we spent reading scripture, praying together, and studying Baptist doctrine brought us together like few other groups of which I’ve been a part. The committee presented a united front which reflected the unity of the church.
15. Recognize that not everyone will be pleased with the final decision. Our church requires an 80% approval for the calling of the pastor. Whatever your church requires, realize that the candidate will not get 100%. Understand that, unfortunately, not everyone will see the candidate in the same way that you do.
Overall this was one of the greatest experiences of my life and also something that I would never wish on my worst enemy. We spent long hours away from our families and made sacrifices of resources, energy and money in the process. But the Baptist search process is, I believe, the most biblical one available. It allows for both the autonomy of the church and the freedom of God’s Spirit to interact and work together for the benefit of both churches and ministers.
Lastly I will confess that we made, no doubt, numerous mistakes throughout the process. I would appreciate any thoughts or corrections where your experience has differed.



Brother Taran,
You say the Baptist process is the most biblical. What biblical pattern are you referring?
Blessings,
Chris
Chris,
Maybe he’s talking about congregational polity?
David
A NOMINATING, OR Pulpit Committee, visiting Churches, and trying to steal The Pastor is wrong.
Pastors should come from within the local assembly.
Pastor Johnson,
David is correct. I am referring to the principal of Congregational polity as practiced by many (though certainly not all) Southern Baptist Churches. Specifically in this instance, I am referencing their practice of calling a minister to serve as senior pastor. Thank you for your question.
Dr. Foltz,
Thanks for your comment as well. It wasn’t our policy to steal a minister from another congregation. (Although I did reprimand one committee member for taking a pew pencil on a visit.) Also, the fact that I was selected as chair of the committee indicates the substantial lack of quality leadership in our own church.
In all seriousness, I acknowledge and accept that Baptists are a diverse and hardy bunch. I understand that there are different approaches to the process of selecting a lead minister and that the process we followed will differ from the prospective of some of the readers of SBC Impact. I simply wanted to narrate how we approached this task and perhaps serve as either a positive or a negative example to future committees.
Or you could sacrificially serve your local congregation for years, displaying all the characteristics of a godly elder and when the time comes, you’re not even a thought in anyone’s mind. So much for coming from the local assembly. Although I agree in theory, I wish it would happen in practice.
Brother John
It has happened with two churches in my town of 425 people, Oak Grove Baptist, and Where I am a member Grace Baptist.
Dr. Foltz,
That’s good to see. I trust that’s due to those churches diligence in raising up future godly leaders and not the lack of amenities that prevented “the big guns” from wanting to move a small town
Taran,
I agree with you. I just wanted to state my position on some committees trying to steal pastors from other churches.
John,
And there is First Baptist of Hillsboro in Coconut Creek, Fl,
Gethsemane Anabaptist in Lexington, SC, Tabernacle in Greenville, SC.
EACH PRESENT PASTOR WAS SAVED, INSTRUCTED AND GREW UP IN THESE CHURCHES.
John,
Although the similarities are inexact, we did have another staff member who was interested in the position of pastor. After the committee had discussed his candidacy and felt that God was NOT calling him to be pastor, a few members of the committee met with him and shared our group’s decision. It was a hard conversation, but he handled it well and has served very well as the right hand man of our new pastor. But it can certainly be a tough situation for the church as well as the individual. Whenever there is an internal candidate, there is also much potential for scars and wounds on both sides.
Brother Taran,
Thank you for the reply,…but could you be a little more specific as to the biblical pattern for the process you have outlined?
I believe I understand congregational polity and our congregation is very involved in the polity of the church. But, during my many years of Baptist life, I have found the Baptist process as you have outlined to be more pragmatically driven and foreign to what the Apostle Paul has left as encouragment for Timothy and Titus. It seems we use the letters for bits and pieces of the offices that are found there,..but somehow have abandoned the teaching of the Apostles for actively plural leadership.
Blessings,
Chris
Brother Vol,
I guess what I find interesting concerning Congregation Polity, which our congregation follows by the way, is the willingness in churches to ignore the fact and advantage of plurality of leadership. It appears from the encouragement given by Paul to Timothy and Titus, that there was an expectation of many leaders within one congregation. In other words the implication is…a plurality of qualified Leaders impacts discipleship, preaching of the gospel and development of mission objectives.
As I attended the Baptist Distinctives conference in Fort Worth at SWBTS several months back, there was a deliberate teaching against a plurality of leadership. This was astonishing to me,…since it is unbiblical to teach such a thing. When I questioned the presenter after the session, he lacked any biblical evidence for his thesis of single Leader,…but still thought it was the most profitable approach. Astonishing and sad at the same time!
Baptist would do well to return to the solid biblical principle of establishing a plurality of qualified leaders in its churches. What a great blessing for the church!
Blessings,
Chris
Chris,
Baptist would do well to return to the solid biblical principle of establishing a plurality of qualified leaders in its churches. What a great blessing for the church!
Amen!
First Baptist Church of Ponce de Leon Florida adopted a plurality of Elders seven years ago and it has been such a blessing to the congregation… Our Elders are godly and mature men of faith who are “all” able and responsible to teach the scriptures… Some of the best sermons I have ever heard came from these men.
If God ever calls me away from First Baptist Church of Ponce de Leon, I have no doubt that these men will continue to “feed the flock of God”… and that a search for a new Pastor will not be necessary.
Grace Always,
Chris,
There are thousands of SB Churches that have a plurality of leadership, or elders. They have Sr. Pastors, Associative Pastors, Ministers of Music/Worship, Student Ministers, Pastoral Care Ministers, etc. It all just depends on how large they are.
BTW, I dont believe in a board of Elders running a Church, no more than I believe in a Deacon Board running a Church. Jesus is Lord of His Church, or He should be. The Pastor, or Pastors, should lead; but not be CEO’s, nor dictators, either. Why would you and Greg think that the Bible teaches that a Board of Elders should rule a Church? as a Dictator/dictators?
David
Pastor Johnson,
Generally, I think that there is a wide representation of ecclesiastical polity found throughout the New Testament. Moving from the Acts of the Apostles to the various epistles (including the Pastorals that you mention), there are several approaches to leadership represented in the early church. Specifically in our case, our church follows a congregational polity in which the congregation acts under the guidance and direction of the Holy Spirit. My indication that this took place in a biblical fashion was more to contrast this approach with an Episcopal or Methodistic approach to pastoral selection. As I stated from the outset different Baptist congregations may have differing views on the efficacy of this approach.
Now whether this takes place through a plurality of leaders, or a committee set aside and prayed for by the congregation, reflects differing perspectives on this same issue. Specifically in this instance, our church followed the process outlined above. Reading your responses, you advocate a differing approach. I certainly appreciate and acknowledge that congregations may choose their leadership in various ways. And I expect that each one considers their approach to be congruent with the prescriptions of Scripture.
Elders are to handle the spiritual affairs of the church;
Deacons are to handle the material affairs, and see to the Pastor’s table.
THE DEACONS, ELDERS, PASTOR, AND ALL THE MEN ARE TO RUN THE CHURCH, SINCE THE WOMEN ARE TO KEEP SILENT, AND NOT USURP AUTHORITY OVER THE MAN.
Dr. Foltz,
I’m gonna take a huge leap here…really go out on a limb, and say that you belong to an Indepedent Baptist Church. Am I right?
David
Brother Volfan,
Elders are simply biblical. Elders are qualified servants of the church. The Elders that continue to be added in our congregation remain qualified by testimony and affirmation of the congregation…..
“Titus 1:5-9 For this reason I left you in Crete, that you would set in order what remains and appoint elders in every city as I directed you, (6) namely, if any man is above reproach, the husband of one wife, having children who believe, not accused of dissipation or rebellion. (7) For the overseer must be above reproach as God’s steward, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not addicted to wine, not pugnacious, not fond of sordid gain, (8) but hospitable, loving what is good, sensible, just, devout, self-controlled, (9) holding fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, so that he will be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict.”
This method of “Eldering” as you have forwarded is not found in scripture as assumed by your question…. “Why would you and Greg think that the Bible teaches that a Board of Elders should rule a Church?”
Certainly Elders that do rule well are worthy of double honor, at least according to God…but that biblical principle is typically never exposited well by tyrannical men, nor understood well by the congregation.
You have brought up an interesting dilemma that faces many Baptist church organizations. The staffs are sometimes seen as the Elders, whether they remain qualified or not, and many churches run into problems with staff that are not qualified to lead. So again, churches can quickly become pragmatic in order to facilitate youth programs and miscellaneous ministries by substituting biblical leadership with directors, ministers, and associates that may not meet the qualifications laid out in scripture.
That is why some Baptist churches have such a difficult time with staff and hiring pastors,…because tradition has created a difficult situation that is not biblical in many cases….it is simply the way everyone understands it should happen. Ignorance is no excuse for continuing with anti-biblical tradition.
Blessings,
Chris
Brother Taran,
I think you are right to say that there exists in the Baptist world a wide range of ecclesial understanding and processes. Even with those various processes, there still remain only qualified leaders (pastors/elders) and qualified servants (deacons) gifted for service along with the congregation (priesthood).
Thank you for the clarification.
Blessings,
Chris
VOLFAN007- NO I AM NOT. Grace came out of First Baptist church.
David,
In my best Reagan voice “Now, there you go again…”
The Elders in my Church “serve” by the will, and at the pleasure, of the Congregation. In other words the Congregation must approve each Elder and the Congregation can remove an Elder if necessary.
We have done away with that horrid invention of man called “Business Meetings” YAHOO!!! And we have not had a fight since… That’s over 7 years and not one fight! That may not seam like a big deal to you David, but the Baptist Churches I had been in previously were filled with “Carnal Christians” who fought like cats and dogs at every Business Meeting. My wife and I discussed leaving the ministry because I simply could no longer take the stress each month.
Now, where in the Bible did you say it mentioned “ For this reason I left you in Crete, that you would set in order what remains and establish business meetings in every city as I directed you,”?
Grace Always,
David’s church = pure democracy
Greg’s church = representative democracy
;^)
Taran,
I think that if we take as a given the status quo at the majority of Baptist churches then the suggestions you give are helpful and make a lot of sense. However, if we were to translate them into Koine Greek, in terminology that made sense to 1st century Christians, they would seem totally out-of-place to them. I think this may be getting at the root of Chris’s question about the Baptist process being the most biblical. And, though, I wouldn’t necessarily say that churches, when they appoint a PSC, and call a pastor from another congregation, are “stealing” other churches’ pastor, I do think the biblical norm was home-grown leadership. In order to get back to the biblical norm, though, a lot of things would have to change in most churches. Also, ingrained habits and patterns are very difficult change, and sometimes trying to change them can prove more divisive than helpful.
Having planted a church from zero, and participated in the planting of several others, though, I can say that it is a good and worthy goal to train new congregations to look for a plurality of home-grown elders-bishops-pastors. I believe a lot of our problems are the fruit of how far we have drifted from the biblical model with respect to this.
David Rogers is right on target.Since it took a long time for the church government to evolve into what it is today, it will take a series of steps, to get it back to the Biblical norm, leaders being called from within the church.
preacher boys learning under the pastor would be a good place to start. from there they become assistant Pastors, before ever assuming the office of A Pastor. Paul said to Archippus that God had put him into that position, because he had been faithful, and to take heed that he fulfill his ministry.
David,
It is truly an honor to dialogue with you. I’ve respected your gracious spirit and your work for the last few years across the blogosphere. I’ve also respected your logic. I have no wish to join Dr. Yarnell, squished across the windshield of your penetrating insight.
So let me restate the point from the original post. (Apparently, even the prodigious servers of SBC Impact cannot withstand the confusion I have caused). The Baptist approach of having the congregation decide their pastor is the one closest to the biblical approach. Now, who they call as their pastor can be from their own congregation, from another congregation, or from Mars. But it is their decision. I contrast this again with other Christian traditions where an outside individual or group of individuals makes the decision for the local congregation. That is my point. (I say it’s my point. It was actually a throw away line at the end of a rather lengthy article largely dealing with another topic).
But having said that…
I do think that I’m a little less convinced that the practice of certain 1st century churches in this area is normative for ALL churches at all times everywhere. I don’t think it was necessarily a characteristic of all 1st century churches across the Mediterranean. Again, while you do have some examples of churches picking from their own for leadership, you also have examples of outsiders (like Timothy) coming in to pastor churches in which they were not raised. I don’t think there is enough of a New Testament basis for the point that all churches at all times, everywhere should call their own pastors from within their own congregation. Again, I would strongly affirm the decisions of certain churches to do so, but I wouldn’t hold it up as the ideal.
One last comment. Although I am not a pastor, the concept of a congregation “stealing” a pastor from another congregation frames the discussion in very unhealthy way. It implies two things with which I disagree: First, it implies that pastors are inanimate objects, incapable of discerning God’s leadership for their life. It reeks of condescension. Second, and even more objectionable, is that it implies that there is ownership on the part of the congregation. The Pastor serves the congregation, but is not enslaved to it. Only that which is owned can be “stolen”. Pastors may be prized by their congregations, but they cannot be owned by them.
Taran,
Thanks for your kind, complimentary words, and for your thoughtful reply to my comment. I am sensing there is enough here in this particular point of the conversation to merit an entire separate post. And, since I am due to come up with something for Monday, I think I will incorporate my reply back to you on this in what I write then.
I hope you can continue in the dialogue on Monday.
David
Taran,
I tried and failed to submit the following Tuesday:
With all the quirks and variables among pastor search committees and pastors, it’s a wonder that God can and does still work among us. God is forgiving and gracious.
Your article is very perceptive. I would just emphasize some things you’ve already touched on.
1. Be careful who is chosen as members of the committee. Too often in small churches whoever speaks up first is put on the committee. Try to get a cross section of intelligent, serious, leaders and faithful members of the church.
. Warning to bloggers. Many are documenting things they should not document. Think long and hard before you click “submit.” On the other hand, hopefully PSCs will realize not everything said about a preacher is necessarily accurate. Of course, it’s hard to deny what you’ve written. Like the fellow who claimed he was misquoted in his autobiography!
2. It can really help to get input from a pastor or pastor’s wife that you respect. Someone who is not interested in the job, but can share some of their insights. Just as laymen can see things a pastor may not see, the opposite is also true.
3. Be sensitive and knowledgeable about the basic Christian doctrines and Baptist distinctive doctrines and the stands your church has taken. Keep copies of the Baptist Faith & Message handy.
4. Be familiar with hotly contested current issues and the stands your church has taken. Issues such as Calvinism, drinking, SBC support, missions, the invitation, evangelism, contemporary vs. traditional worship, patriotism, etc.
5. How dare you google a pastoral candidate
6. If a church is needing pastoral resumes. One way to get the word out about a pastorless church is to put a note in the state Baptist paper. Something like, “Pastor John Doe has resigned as pastor of Fourth Baptist Church, Quanah, TX.” They will usually let you put the note in once for free, and it lets folks know the church is without a pastor. Some papers now even have a section for church staff positions. If PSC members don’t already get the state paper, subscribe them to it. Your local Baptist Association and area pastors can also help with resumes.
7. You can tear apart anybody. Don’t get too picky.
8. I like your emphasis on much prayer.
You had a difficult job. Apparently you handled it well.
David R. Brumbelow
Brother Taran,
I’d like to butt-in just for a second or two in order to challenge your assertion that Timothy was a “pastor/elder” in any local congregation mentioned in the New Testament. My perception is that Timothy was a part of Paul’s church-planting (apostolic or missionary) team. In some cases he was left and even sent to particular cities to straighten things out with young communities. However, I see no indication in the New Testament that he was to remain anywhere for his entire life.
On the other hand, Paul’s speech to the Ephesian elders in Acts seems to assume a permanence on their part. Not that some would not move away or be called out to see the Kingdom come in other areas, but that, as a whole, they were responsible for the flock in Ephesus. Perhaps the issue is that seminary graduates/ordained ministers consider their calling the same as Paul’s and Timothy’s. If this is the case, I would encourage them to consider serving in places where no one has yet heard the Good News and no local community is established… as did Paul and Timothy. Unfortunately, my gut tells me that the bouncing around we see among official, paid clergy has more to do with syncretism with corporate America than a misunderstood calling to plant churches where there are none.
I pray this comment is challenging, but no offense is intended.
Peace to you my brother,
From the Middle East
David R,
I await your gentle correction in Monday’s post.
David B,
Excellent suggestions, particularly 3,4 and 7. I think it’s vital that the committee work through some document (we used the BF&M 2K) to establish a baseline of theological understanding for the committee. As to your compliment that the search progressed well, I can only attribute it to the congregation putting together (with the obvious exception of myself) an outstanding committee.
FTME,
Thank you for butting in. I admire your posts and thank God for your work. I cannot tell you how much I admire you and your family for what you do for the cause of Christ in such a strategic area of the world. As I told David Rogers, I feel like a midget dialoguing with giants. (A Muggsy Bogues among the Shaqiim if you will).
But to the considerable substance of your post: I would respectfully suggest that Timothy had an ongoing relationship to the Ephesian church (I base this on Paul’s instruction in 1 Tim. 1:3 as well as Eusebius’ Church History) that very likely lasted the rest of his life. Now he was most probably the overseer of several house churches, and how exactly that comports to our understanding of the role of pastor in 21st century North America is an open (and culturally conditioned) question. But it clearly leaves available the possibility that an outsider was called in to direct, guide, and (I would argue) pastor a local congregation in the 1st century church.
As to the factors leading pastors to move around today, there are likely several. Some of them are as simple and benign as increased geographical mobility, others are more complicated and involve a problem with the congregation and pastor misunderstanding their respective roles. There are numerous reasons, but I don’t think that they are all attributable to a lack of biblical fidelity.
Elders is just another name for Pastors…as is Bishop. They are all the same office. An Elder/Pastor/Bishop is the same man. Now, if a congregation feels that they need more than one Elder, then by all means, pick as many as you feel need of. But, an Elder ruling a Church is not a CEO/Dictator mentality. It’s an overseeing, leading, inspiring, shepherding role.
David
Brother Taran,
First, thank you for your kind words, but please be assured that my family and I are just as messed up as you and yours… probably even more!
Second, now that I’ve had a couple of cups of coffee, please allow me to clarify a little. I do not argue with Eusebius that Timothy did not remain in Ephesus as a permanent part of the community. In addition to folks going out, others might come in (such as Timothy) and lead. I do not disagree.
However, the hopping around that goes on is foreign to the New Testament. The places in which Paul and his “team” established churches, they appointed elders. It is entirely possible that multiple members of Paul’s team stayed on in multiple places for their entire lives. However, there is still clear evidence of leadership to be raised up from within. Ephesus and Crete are the two examples that come to mind now.
Another issue brought to the forefront here is that of Timothy being considered The Pastor of Ephesus in today’s sense of the word. I see no evidence of this. While he was certainly respected and looked up to as a leader, he was one leader among leaders.
Combining the thoughts of the two preceding paragraphs, my reaction is not against folks from the “outside” being in leadership. This would be impractical, especially given the mobility of our society. Rather, my complaint is more of a combination of the idea that there is one leader within a local community AND he should spend some time here and some time there. Having one leader (The Pastor) who hops from local community to local community is not healthy for anyone.
One other thing, now that I have taken up this much space, why not ;^)
Thank you, Taran, for being a leader in your local community. Whether you hold some form of title or not is irrelevant. The fact that your family members trust you enough to chair such a committee/team speaks volumes of your example and impact upon their lives. May God continue to raise up leaders such as yourself all over this world in spite of the systems we create!
Peace to you my brother,
From the Middle East
Dr. Folz,
You are not a member of an SBC church, right? I think that is what Volfan was trying to get at.
Thanks,
Shane
Dr. Folz has said in the past that he is a member of a “Sovereign Grace Baptist Church” and not an SBC church.
Apparently this is not, to his definition, an independent Baptist church. They seem to have some sort of cooperation among them. I am interested to know more.
It sounds like a cross between Primitive Baptist, Independent/fundamentalist/KJVonlyist, and a very small dash of missions thrown in.
I hope this is not a disrespectful characterization, even if it is likely in error on some front.
Shane
Taran,
I appreciate your comments in this area. For many churches, this is a very stressful time and your reflections are helpful.
Brother Volfan,
Your last comment is right on target. I believe that the existing Pastors at all the churches should proactively seek to disciple and raise up multiple, qualified leaders, so that the church is never at a loss for qualified men to shepherd the flock. That seems to be what is missing in the Baptist world these days…in that Pastors are taught in seminary settings that the church is best served by “one” Pastor and most Pastors have convinced themselves, with help from the seminaries, that this is the best tradition.
Biblical evidence and practice seems to be different and more beneficial than the perceived “best tradition” that is apparent throughout the SBC churches. A “one” man show is a very volatile situation for the flock and does not seem to square with effective discipleship and instruction given by the Apostles.
Getting back to a biblical tradition in the churches can only be beneficial and edifying for all involved in the life of the church.
Blessings,
Chris
I would like to change the direction of the discussion and speak about suggestion 10 – check “one-off” references. I completely understand why this would be encouraged, but there is also a very real danger in doing so. Listed references are usually people the candidate knows will maintain confidentiality in the process. Others may not be willing to maintain it, and may perhaps even notify his present church of his willingness to leave. Sometimes this isn’t a problem and sometimes it is, but the danger is always there. Also, the listed reference may suggest a person who is not in a friendly relationship with the candidate and may desire to do him harm by giving a bad reference. Anyone who has been in ministry for a period to time has made enemies, or he is probably not doing his job. Knowing these dangers, I could not ask for “one-off” references.
FTME,
Thank you so much for your kind and encouraging words. I teach in a state institution and wrestle at times with my own utility to the Kingdom. But I must disagree with your assertion that your family is more messed up than mine. Really. Spend some time on my blog and I suspect you will reconsider.
Again, no real disagreement with what you’ve offered. I see what you’ve described as consistent with what I’ve mentioned. The first century church was a very fluid place in which some locations experienced individual leadership over a broad period of time (Timothy in Ephesus) and others experienced such frequent leadership change that they broke into factions and weren’t always sure who to follow (e.g. Corinth with their split focus on Paul, Cephas, and Apollos).
Or, to put it in your words “It is entirely possible that multiple members of Paul’s team stayed on in multiple places for their entire lives. However, there is still clear evidence of leadership to be raised up from within.” I agree completely with each of these statements. But if Timothy had a surplus of leadership in one house church and a deficit of leadership in another, what would he do? I suspect he would try to train up the weaker house church, but wouldn’t hesitate to bring in outside leadership where necessary.
Where I think we part ways is the point at which you seem (perhaps I misunderstand) to make a home-grown pastor normative for all people at all times in every cultural location. That is a move I’m unprepared to take.
As far as Timothy’s pastoral role, again I suspect we aren’t far apart. I noted above that he doesn’t correspond to our North American conceptions of the pastor. I agree that he was a leader among the house churches of Ephesus, but I suspect he was more of a “first among equals” of the various elders of the church. His proximity to Paul made him a significant figure in the early church (hence Eusebius’ reference). Paul did write, after all, to him and not to other leaders of the Ephesian church.
Thanks again for your encouragement.
Pastor Johnson,
I agree completely that the corporate model of the “Pastor is CEO” is unbiblical and the cause of much strife and scurrilous mischief in the contemporary church. I suspect our disagreement is on the same point that I’ve addressed with FTME.
Shane,
The interim time can be a stressful time for the local church, but an exciting time as well. One of the joys of working with a church through the interim time is that there are no Pastoral egos to worry about. If a church is willing, it can take a hard look at itself and much good can come out of this process. I particularly recommend a strategic interim (Google “Intentional Interim” or “Transitional Pastor” for more detailed information). I worked with a church as an intentional interim and blogged about the process at Coffeespoons.
Greg,
Thanks for addressing this point, but I will disagree with you. I think the congregation is best served by soliciting opinions from people who know and have had time to observe the pastor. References, since they are hand-picked by the candidate, will generally speak well of the candidate. The congregation cannot exclusively depend upon them to provide an honest evaluation of the candidate.
You certainly might get an enemy of your candidate. But the mere fact that the candidate has enemies tells you something about him. Remember, you are getting these one-off references from the references that the candidate provided. They won’t provide the name of a member of the candidate’s congregation (and if they did, then obviously the committee should ignore it).
My main motivation is complete transparency on both sides. The congregation should thoroughly investigate the candidate. The candidate should do the same with the congregation.
Taran,
Thanks for another excellent post. For those of you who are just discovering Taran–he contributes an engaging and entertaining experience each time he writes at coffeespoons. It’s one of my daily “must-reads”. Check it out…you’ll like it.
I wanted to wade in briefly and push back on something that Greg hinted at–the need for the pastor to consider a move to another church secretly. It seems to me that we should “walk in the light as He is in the light” and thus avoid the shadows of secret negotiations. How wonderful it is when a church and a pastor can together consider the will of God for their future. I won’t share my considerable and rambling opinions at this point but rather will wait for an opportunity to post on the subject.
“Warning to bloggers. Many are documenting things they should not document. Think long and hard before you click “submit.” ”
I’ve pastored in the same location for 9 years now, and unless God moves me, I expect to be here. There are times when a search committee will come calling via phone or email. I try to determine in the initial contact if there’s enough of a “fit” to continue. If there seems to be some agreement on theology, vision, methodology, etc., then I ask for everything they can send, and I give them everything I can. That would include years of devotionals, blog posts, and occasional articles, and certainly sermon materials both audio and video (rare).
I work for God through a local congregation. So when I believe God might be at work, I do my best to help the other party do their work, trusting that if God is in it, more information is better than less. I want them to know who I am, what I value, how I work. It is too critical to play it like a game.
Brother Wilson,
Excellent Word! As I look through the NT, I do not see any secretive motives initiated in and around the appointment of Pastors for the benefit of any congregation. In fact it is quite the opposite. Just that fact alone should make one question certain methodology that is pushed around the SBC.
Your comment is a huge statement which really points to the level of understanding that a congregation may have on how to determine Leadership that is qualified to lead.
Blessings,
Chris
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Brother Taran,
I have been really busy over the past few days. Apologies for replying so late!
You mention the first century church being “fluid.” Good point.
Our difference of opinion may occur in that I do not necessarily see each house group in Ephesus as separate groups having a “pastor” each. Rather, I see the community as a whole with multiple elders. Some, such as Timothy, from outside, but many from within as well. Of course, I am sure they met in different homes, but see no reason to assume they felt each home group was separate from the whole community.
And, I do agree that the elders may choose to place a more mature brother with an immature group. But his responsibility would be to see the members of that group grow in their giftings as well. Some of which may be gifted leaders.
Still a little rushed. Apologies if the above makes not sense!
Peace to you my brother,
From the Middle East
PS – I am adding you to my google reader account.
Pastors Wilson and Johnson,
I thank you for your excellent remarks. Hidden discussions and unannounced meetings have no place in the Kingdom of God. Both congregations and pastors need to work above board.
FTME,
I think our conversation on first century ecclesiology illustrates one of the challenges of those who study the church: it is very difficult to flesh out in the 21st century the bones of structure described in the New Testament. But I also think it is a blessing. The description of the first century church allows a variety of church practices that can be contextualized to many different locations, while at the same time it provides certain guidelines that are nonnegotiable. Thanks for the conversation and I look forward to future discussions as well.
Brother Taran,
Bro, you just nailed it!
I have a good friend (happens to be an expert in church history) who often says, “Rather than trying to figure out how to mimic the book of Acts, what we need to do is focus on how to live it out in our context.”
Peace to you brother,
From the Middle East