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	<title>Comments on: House Churches &#8211; Will They Really Work in North America?</title>
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		<title>By: Why are we so afraid of NT house churches? &#171; The M Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why are we so afraid of NT house churches? &#171; The M Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 01:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A while back on sbcImpact! blogging friend, Geoff Baggett, asked his readers (mostly Southern Baptist) House Churches: Will They Really Work In North America? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Multiplying Disciples, Multiplying Disciple-Makers &#124; sbc IMPACT!</title>
		<link>http://sbcimpact.org/2007/11/21/house-churches-will-they-really-work-in-north-america/#comment-13596</link>
		<dc:creator>Multiplying Disciples, Multiplying Disciple-Makers &#124; sbc IMPACT!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the most radical method of all is the house church model, in which virtually everything done in church takes place in the context of open, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bryan Riley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 03:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understood that, Geoff, but you also know my heart and I wish we&#039;d be more interested in all followers of Jesus than one denomination.  Being quixotic am i. :)  I think cell groups work, and to an extent they are much like house churches who also have a large group meeting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understood that, Geoff, but you also know my heart and I wish we&#8217;d be more interested in all followers of Jesus than one denomination.  Being quixotic am i. <img src='http://sbcimpact.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   I think cell groups work, and to an extent they are much like house churches who also have a large group meeting.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Baggett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Baggett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 11:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Bryan

The SBC question / application was simply keeping with the theme of this blog ... to have an impact upon the churches and ministries of the SBC.

Obviously, there is not a very large number of true house churches in the SBC context.  It would be interesting to speculate what a significant movement would do to convention attitudes / policy / polity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Bryan</p>
<p>The SBC question / application was simply keeping with the theme of this blog &#8230; to have an impact upon the churches and ministries of the SBC.</p>
<p>Obviously, there is not a very large number of true house churches in the SBC context.  It would be interesting to speculate what a significant movement would do to convention attitudes / policy / polity.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Riley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 05:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read all the comments but I just saw your question, Geoff, about what would a significant house church movement in the SBC do to the SBC... well, why does it always come back to the SBC???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read all the comments but I just saw your question, Geoff, about what would a significant house church movement in the SBC do to the SBC&#8230; well, why does it always come back to the SBC???</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Riley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 05:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are we concerned with a &quot;consumer-driven&quot; culture except to show it a better way - the Kingdom way? I see nothing about a house church that can&#039;t accomplish the teaching and preaching of the gospel of the Kingdom.  in fact, it may do it better than many &quot;churches&quot; that seem to be more about emulating and responding to culture than redeeming culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are we concerned with a &#8220;consumer-driven&#8221; culture except to show it a better way &#8211; the Kingdom way? I see nothing about a house church that can&#8217;t accomplish the teaching and preaching of the gospel of the Kingdom.  in fact, it may do it better than many &#8220;churches&#8221; that seem to be more about emulating and responding to culture than redeeming culture.</p>
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		<title>By: Ai da &#8220;biserica ta&#8221; pentru o adunare simpla? &#171; fratele dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ai da &#8220;biserica ta&#8221; pentru o adunare simpla? &#171; fratele dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 24, 2007 by frateledan    Acest articol e tradus de pe linkul: http://www.sbcimpact.net/2007/11/21/house-churches-will-they-really-work-in-north-america/        SBC impact este un site al baptistilor de sud din Statele [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 24, 2007 by frateledan    Acest articol e tradus de pe linkul: <a href="http://www.sbcimpact.net/2007/11/21/house-churches-will-they-really-work-in-north-america/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sbcimpact.net/2007/11/21/house-churches-will-they-really-work-in-north-america/</a>        SBC impact este un site al baptistilor de sud din Statele [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lew A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lew A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Geoff, you asked me &quot;So, Lew … where has God led you? What are you doing now?&quot;

I have been pretty busy... relaxing... over thanksgiving break so I have not done much of any blogging. But I wanted to reply to your questions.

I am going to be rather brief (or as brief as possible). Answering these questions could turn into a post in-itself :).

&lt;b&gt;Where has God led me?&lt;/b&gt; Over the past couple years, God has really helped me remove some of my presuppositions about &quot;church,&quot; &quot;pastors,&quot; etc. Most of what I understood came from today&#039;s modern traditions. I started to read scripture entirely differently without these presuppositions. I guess the biggest thing for me was to ask myself &quot;why?&quot;. Alot of times, when I tried to answer the &quot;why?&quot; from scripture, I came up short handed. It was very scary at first, but became pretty liberating. Through all of this, God has led me away from the idea of a vocational pastor and more towards the idea of all of his followers being ministers.

&lt;b&gt;What are you doing now?&lt;/b&gt; My wife and I are currently in the process of trying to move, so it is a little difficult to answer this question. I currently work for a secular employer, where I come in contact with atheists, Muslims, and various Christians every day. I try to use this time to build relationships, share Jesus&#039; love, etc. I see this as a major part of ministry. Off work, I try to reach as many people as possible (which is usually difficult because I work 2nd shift - 1st shift next week!). Part of my blog is an attempt to discuss some of my ideas with people who agree and disagree... so we can learn from and encourage one another. I usually chat online a lot with various Christians and non-Christians. And my wife and I try to meet with the church as frequently as possible.

My father-in-law and I plan on doing something after I move (I&#039;ll be closer to him). We&#039;ll probably be hosting a bi-weekly gathering or something of the sort. We&#039;re still talking about it.

God&#039;s Glory,
Lew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Geoff, you asked me &#8220;So, Lew … where has God led you? What are you doing now?&#8221;</p>
<p>I have been pretty busy&#8230; relaxing&#8230; over thanksgiving break so I have not done much of any blogging. But I wanted to reply to your questions.</p>
<p>I am going to be rather brief (or as brief as possible). Answering these questions could turn into a post in-itself <img src='http://sbcimpact.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p><b>Where has God led me?</b> Over the past couple years, God has really helped me remove some of my presuppositions about &#8220;church,&#8221; &#8220;pastors,&#8221; etc. Most of what I understood came from today&#8217;s modern traditions. I started to read scripture entirely differently without these presuppositions. I guess the biggest thing for me was to ask myself &#8220;why?&#8221;. Alot of times, when I tried to answer the &#8220;why?&#8221; from scripture, I came up short handed. It was very scary at first, but became pretty liberating. Through all of this, God has led me away from the idea of a vocational pastor and more towards the idea of all of his followers being ministers.</p>
<p><b>What are you doing now?</b> My wife and I are currently in the process of trying to move, so it is a little difficult to answer this question. I currently work for a secular employer, where I come in contact with atheists, Muslims, and various Christians every day. I try to use this time to build relationships, share Jesus&#8217; love, etc. I see this as a major part of ministry. Off work, I try to reach as many people as possible (which is usually difficult because I work 2nd shift &#8211; 1st shift next week!). Part of my blog is an attempt to discuss some of my ideas with people who agree and disagree&#8230; so we can learn from and encourage one another. I usually chat online a lot with various Christians and non-Christians. And my wife and I try to meet with the church as frequently as possible.</p>
<p>My father-in-law and I plan on doing something after I move (I&#8217;ll be closer to him). We&#8217;ll probably be hosting a bi-weekly gathering or something of the sort. We&#8217;re still talking about it.</p>
<p>God&#8217;s Glory,<br />
Lew</p>
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		<title>By: Oloryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oloryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I do, however, think it is worthwhile to ask these questions about house churches, especially since God seems to be using them very effectively in certain contexts.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ll agree.  To go back to the tool set analogy, not every tool out there is actually a good tool.  You have to check them out and see if they&#039;re valid or not.  But you have to distinguish between &quot;this tool does not fit what God is calling my local church to&quot; (or perhaps even &quot;this tool does not fit what God is calling my local church to &lt;b&gt;now&lt;/b&gt;&quot;, noting that this might change in the future) and &quot;this tool is bad&quot;.  Sometimes you even run into mixed tools - &quot;Some parts of this tool are good, and some parts are bad&quot;, and you have to try and redesign the tool to keep the good parts and get rid of the bad (which probably happens more often than we want to admit).  You often don&#039;t figure out the latter until you&#039;ve actually tried the tool (which is what seems to be going on with Willow Creek).  The problem comes when &quot;This tool doesn&#039;t fit what God is calling my local church to&quot; is equated with &quot;this tool is bad&quot;.  The call away from cookie-cutter churchianity isn&#039;t a call away from discernment, but towards more discernment, just without taking a solely &quot;thumbs up or thumbs down&quot; approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I do, however, think it is worthwhile to ask these questions about house churches, especially since God seems to be using them very effectively in certain contexts.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll agree.  To go back to the tool set analogy, not every tool out there is actually a good tool.  You have to check them out and see if they&#8217;re valid or not.  But you have to distinguish between &#8220;this tool does not fit what God is calling my local church to&#8221; (or perhaps even &#8220;this tool does not fit what God is calling my local church to <b>now</b>&#8220;, noting that this might change in the future) and &#8220;this tool is bad&#8221;.  Sometimes you even run into mixed tools &#8211; &#8220;Some parts of this tool are good, and some parts are bad&#8221;, and you have to try and redesign the tool to keep the good parts and get rid of the bad (which probably happens more often than we want to admit).  You often don&#8217;t figure out the latter until you&#8217;ve actually tried the tool (which is what seems to be going on with Willow Creek).  The problem comes when &#8220;This tool doesn&#8217;t fit what God is calling my local church to&#8221; is equated with &#8220;this tool is bad&#8221;.  The call away from cookie-cutter churchianity isn&#8217;t a call away from discernment, but towards more discernment, just without taking a solely &#8220;thumbs up or thumbs down&#8221; approach.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz Eubanks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz Eubanks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a laywoman, I can see many reasons why someone might be interested in meeting in homes.  One would be the misuse, wasteful or undisclosed use of the tithes and offerings.  A small group of tithers that did not have to support the &quot;brick and mortar&quot; and more and more staff, could do a lot. I&#039;m not even sure we have a benevolence fund anymore.

As far as the Scripture, I can&#039;t help but think of all the retired SBC pastors that are not up to running a church, but would be a perfect teacher in these situations.  We have several in our small church.

If these house churches were to remain SBC, then they would adopt the BF&amp;M and their accountability is to God. I not so sure they need a watchdog.

Personally, if I could find a &quot;Family Integrated&quot; SBC church in my area, I would check it out. The research shows that we are not doing something right when most of our youth leave the church after highschool, never to return.  We have bought into age segregation.  We have youth teaching youth.  Our young women are in classes with other young women that cannot possibly be a Titus 2 woman to them.  Our children are being fed entertainment.

I better stop now, but a age integrated (families), intimate, praying, mission action oriented, solid Word-based, use who God gives you, pot luck lunch fellowship church sounds wonderful to me.

Liz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a laywoman, I can see many reasons why someone might be interested in meeting in homes.  One would be the misuse, wasteful or undisclosed use of the tithes and offerings.  A small group of tithers that did not have to support the &#8220;brick and mortar&#8221; and more and more staff, could do a lot. I&#8217;m not even sure we have a benevolence fund anymore.</p>
<p>As far as the Scripture, I can&#8217;t help but think of all the retired SBC pastors that are not up to running a church, but would be a perfect teacher in these situations.  We have several in our small church.</p>
<p>If these house churches were to remain SBC, then they would adopt the BF&amp;M and their accountability is to God. I not so sure they need a watchdog.</p>
<p>Personally, if I could find a &#8220;Family Integrated&#8221; SBC church in my area, I would check it out. The research shows that we are not doing something right when most of our youth leave the church after highschool, never to return.  We have bought into age segregation.  We have youth teaching youth.  Our young women are in classes with other young women that cannot possibly be a Titus 2 woman to them.  Our children are being fed entertainment.</p>
<p>I better stop now, but a age integrated (families), intimate, praying, mission action oriented, solid Word-based, use who God gives you, pot luck lunch fellowship church sounds wonderful to me.</p>
<p>Liz</p>
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